I dont know about push rod i think the one im thinking of is but i guy i
know has a built a new grange with a a worked 5.7 gen 3 in it and it
develops over 600kw at the wheels and over 800Nm of torque and its got a
6speed manual that he designed with holinger
the car is driven everyday everywhere - im not saying its cheap but its
driven everywhere all the time  its go the traction control and all that
good stuff when in it it feel as docile as a kitten and really easily driven
but when the boot goes down BLOODY HELL ITS A SCARY FEELING  heheh or a good
one heheh


any way not getting in on the argument just thought i would add this

thanx

Leighton
----- Original Message -----
From: steven.taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: Boost vs Cubic inches


> If you can find me a pushrod V8 that runs low 13's, can be driven to and
from
> work each day, actually goes round corners and can get to Adelaide without
a
> hickup on $100 dollars petrol - i might change my mind - maybe......
> Steve.
> p.s i still reserve the right to think that harry guy is a peanut:) hehehe
geez
> im a stirrer!
>
> Duncan Shillito wrote:
>
> > as a former stock pushrod V8 owner, i agree james.........
> >
> > i was only trying to help suggest that for N/A street cars - cid is very
> > important, that's half the reason why everyone throws an L20B into a 510
> > instead of retaining the 1600.
> >
> > as for harry firth - if you don't know who he is - do some research.
former
> > bathurst winner, founder of the holden dealer team, mentor of peter
> > brock................ he probably knew a thing or two about cars !!!!
> >
> > with today's technology, boost rules !!!!!
> >
> > cheers,
> > dunc.
> >
> > >From: James Marmont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: RE: Boost vs Cubic inches
> > >Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:17:50 +1100
> > >
> > >i am well aware of this
> > >but another thing to remember is that v8s use 1950s technology. they
still
> > >use push rods for fucks sake! if a manufacturer made a well balanced 3
> > >liter v8, using quad cams and 4 or 5 valves per cylinder, that would
change
> > >the whole equation and put out the same if not more power. torque may
be
> > >down a bit, but nothing forced induction cant fix!!!
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: James Cox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2001 2:52 PM
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Boost vs Cubic inches
> > >
> > >
> > >Gentlemen,
> > >
> > >I enjoy seeing a L20B beat a V8 off the lights as much as anyone else
but
> > >you must remember we are talking a highly modified L20B vs a fairly
stock
> > >V8.  Its all about how much air and fuel you can get into an engine,
and a
> > >larger motor will always have the cability to intake more air and fuel.
A
> > >twin turbo RB26 can put out 1000hp but a equaly worked blown V8 will
put
> > >out
> > >10,000hp.  There is a reason why the quickest cars in the world run the
1/4
> > >with blown big block V8s.
> > >
> > >Although as you know your a lot more likey to be able to afford to
drive a
> > >700 - 800hp turbo (both in building cost and in petrol) on the road
than a
> > >10,000hp blown V8, blown V8s are BIG $$$ and use a LOT of fuel, I've
heard
> > >of such cars using over a litre of AVGAS per km!
> > >
> > >Don't want to burst anyone's bubble, but a larger engine, worked
equally,
> > >will aways produce more power.
> > >
> > >James Cox
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >OF COURSE THERE IS ITS CALLED BOOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > >That Harry guy is obviously a peanut.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Duncan Shillito wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "there is no substitute for cubic inches"
!!!!.................(harry
> > > >firth 1967).
> > > > >
> > >
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