Justin If your going to use the car for rallies & can afford to I'd use Bilsteins or Konis.
I had used KYB's on the front of my 1600 rally car & they didn't last long before the bushes shagged out & they lost all their shock absorbing ability. I replaced them with Bilsteins that were revalved for the car & they havn't needed to be touched in several years. The other advantage with the Bilsteins is they can be rebuilt & taken back to new unlike the KYB's which would have to be replaced. -- Ritchie Williams Manager - Design Technology Vertex Pacific Limited 696 Te Rapa Rd Private Bag HN3044 Hamilton New Zealand ph 64 7 8493 999 fax 64 7 8498 764 e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Justin Friedrichs wrote: > Cam, > > Tarmac Rallies are wot I'm interested in, but it would also be for my daily > cruiser. > BTW this is for my L-series datto 16. > I've been enquiring some time now about shocks and I've heard that even in > 20 year old rally cars fitted with KYB shocks, the condition of KYB shocks > are like new. But with some bilstein shocks the tops have blown off with > hard use. And bilstein are used heaps in competition and I know there an > awesome shock. > Konis sound perfect for the road and track, but I want to make a decison > pretty soon. > > Cheers > Justin > > > I'd just like the adjustability.... > > > > Very hard to give an honest answer about the limits of the KYB, I don't > > think I've really had the front end of the car at it's limits. More track > > time is needed. > > > > Will you be doing much track work or just road driving? > > > > Cam > > CM510 > > www.datnet.org/cm510 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Justin Friedrichs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 2:53 PM > > Subject: RE: FJ20 - max power - Summary > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cam, > > > Are the KYB's at there limits? or do ya just want the adjustability > > > options? > > > > > > Justin > > > > > > > Hi Justin, > > > > > > > > Yep still std KYB's in the front, adjustable konis at the rear. > > > > > > > > Will get adjustable konis for the front when/if I get the spare $$ > > > > > > > > Cam > > > > CM510 > > > > www.datnet.org/cm510 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Justin Friedrichs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 2:26 PM > > > > Subject: RE: FJ20 - max power - Summary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAM, > > > > > > > > > > Are you still running the KYB's upfront?? Still putting in the > > > > > Konis?? > > > > > > > > > > Justin > > > > > > > > > > > Finally got some R spec rubber on the front (big difference), > > > > otherwise > > > > > > unchanged. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure with some more track time (finding the limits of the new > > > > rubber) > > > > > > and a bit more sorting I can clip another couple of seconds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cam > > > > > > CM510 > > > > > > www.datnet.org/cm510 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Pooley, Trevor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:57 PM > > > > > > Subject: RE: FJ20 - max power - Summary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1min 47.10sec is our best time there. Although we dropped off > > the > > > > pace > > > > > > last > > > > > > > time we were there, the best was a high 1min 48. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1min 45sec is a pretty good time around there. Have you done > > much > > to > > > > > > your > > > > > > > car since Sandown? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Trev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Cam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, 10 December 2001 12:09 > > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Subject: Re: FJ20 - max power - Summary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trev, > > > > > > > I Managed a 1.45.7 at winton on Saturday (first run) before > > blowing > > > > > > another > > > > > > > R180 diff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You punted around there before? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cam > > > > > > > CM510 > > > > > > > www.datnet.org/cm510 > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Pooley, Trevor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 11:57 AM > > > > > > > Subject: RE: FJ20 - max power - Summary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G'day Jake, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been too busy racing the other 1600 this year to really > > get > > > > > > stuck > > > > > > > > into it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Summer project is to work out how to fit everything in the > > engine > > > > bay. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > wasn't happy with my first attempt at the engine mounts. I > > pretty > > > > much > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > how to make them now though. I need to get the engine futher > > back > > > > and > > > > > > > crank > > > > > > > > centerline, centered in the engine bay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a GTiR intercooler which should fit nicely as a front > > > > mount, > > > > > > > infront > > > > > > > > of the radiator hole. I will need to change the tanks on it. > > Hot > > > > air > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the turbo will enter through a hole in the rad support pannel, > > low > > > > > > down > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the passenger side. The outlet of the i/c will exit at the top > > and > > > > go > > > > > > > > straight into the throttle body through a 90 deg bend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am concerned about getting a radiatior that will fit as the > > I/c > > > > > > piping > > > > > > > > will dictate the max width and the front pulley's the max > > > > thickness. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > other problem is where to put a thermofan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still have a big parts list to finance including an R200 > > LSD, > > > > > > brakes, > > > > > > > > wheels and paint job plus all the small extras which chew up > > lots > > > > of > > > > > > > money. > > > > > > > > The plan is to have it ready for the NDSOC driver training day > > > > next > > > > > > > november > > > > > > > > at Sandown. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Trev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Turbo 510 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2001 15:33 > > > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: FJ20 - max power - Summary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Guys, > > > > > > > > I am a lurker on this list and don't often have time to post > > but > > I > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > like to clear up a few points regarding FJ vs SR. I don't > > claim > > to > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > everything about these motors but I have had an FJ20DET in my > > 1600 > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > last 4-5 years and my brother has had an SR20det powered 1600 > > for > > > > the > > > > > > past > > > > > > > > two years. I am also about to put a CA18det in to a Sunny. > > > > > > > > The weight difference between the two motors is SFA. Both my > > > > brothers > > > > > > and > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > car weigh 1040kg on the same weigh bridge. The SR DET is a > > heavy > > > > block > > > > > > > > because of the external bracing required to handle the turbo > > > > cylinder > > > > > > > > pressures. The SR also runs a huge alloy girdle and a tiny tin > > > > sump > > > > > > > hanging > > > > > > > > off that rather than the traditional tin sump of the FJ. > > > > > > > > Strength is incomparable. A standard FJ with 80k kms on it > > will > > > > > > happily > > > > > > > rev > > > > > > > > to 8500rpm. An sr will break the rockers at those sorts of > > rpm. > > > > > > > > The SR is a much nicer engine with much better NVH properties > > and > > > > is > > > > > > > > extremely smooth. If I where building an everyday streeter I > > would > > > > > > chose > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SR over the FJ. However if you want a motor with big hairy > > balls > > > > that > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > can strap a big T04 on the side of, chuck in a set of forgies > > and > > > > > > abuse > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > in day out nothing matches an FJ. They might not be smooth, > > but > > > > they > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > damn strong. > > > > > > > > The FJ was originally the FJ24. It was NA and produced between > > 240 > > > > - > > > > > > 280hp > > > > > > > > depending on spec according to the S110 240RS factory parts > > manual > > > > I > > > > > > have. > > > > > > > > If anyone would like a copy of the manual I can supply it. > > > > > > > > Sorry to get on my soapbox but the misinformation spread about > > all > > > > > > import > > > > > > > > engines is something I find quite irritating. > > > > > > > > Jake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > btw > > > > > > > > Trev Pooley, How far off is the new race car? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Anthony La Malfa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: FJ20 - max power - Summary > > > > > > > > >Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 22:43:57 +1100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I think we all have to agree that after what everyone has > > > > > > mentioned... > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >we can settle on the following: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(1) The FJ20 is a basic brute horsepower motor. Anyone who > > wants > > > > to > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > >some serious horsepower by adding a big turbo and a set of > > forged > > > > > > > > >pistons... stick this motor into any car and you'll be > > rocketing > > > > > > away. > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >motor, is not for people who are concerned about motor > > weight, > > > > > > > smoothness, > > > > > > > > >petrol consumption or noise, but merely people who want bang > > for > > > > buck > > > > > > for > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >pretty much stock motor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(2) The SR20 is a smooth, technologically advanced motor with > > > > > > potential > > > > > > > (if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >someone knows what they're doing) to create some serious > > > > horsepower > > > > > > > aswell. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It's the kind of motor you'd put into a car that you want to > > > > drive > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > >day, and keep the reliability and smoothness of a pretty much > > > > stock > > > > > > > factory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >motor. I think their weeknesses are their alloy block (for > > > > strength) > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > >their conrods and an obvious with all factory turbo motors... > > a > > > > nice > > > > > > set > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >forgies wouldn't go astray. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In summary....... personally I like both motors and if I had > > to > > > > build > > > > > > > > >another motor (as I already have an FJ) I would probably try > > an > > > > > > > > >SR.....however...we can compare a few situations and > > setups.... > > > > the > > > > > > 200SX > > > > > > > > >Funny Car (Can't think of his name at the moment)... that > > opted > > > > for > > > > > > an > > > > > > > FJ20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >instead of the SR20 and runs 8's .... and the SR20 in that > > little > > > > > > white > > > > > > > > >datto that does consistant 11's and ofcourse we can't forget > > > > > > GGHOST??.... > > > > > > > > >depends what you're after at the end of the day and what you > > plan > > > > on > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > >with the car... oh yeah and did I mention how much money you > > have > > > > to > > > > > > > > >spend??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Thought I'd add my 10 cents worth for anyone who cares :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Anthony > > > > > > > > >GOD-20L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: Mark Alford > > > > > > > > > To: Ozdat discussion list > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 10:01 AM > > > > > > > > > Subject: FJ20 - max power > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi list, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was speaking to an engine builder last night (in Sydney) > > who > > > > is > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > >some head work for me, the guy is a guru with Nissan engines > > and > > > > love > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >FJ20, anyway, the conversation eventually got onto the > > inevitable > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > >- "How much horsepower can we get..........." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The answer of course was " Are you planning on winning > > Lotto?" > > > > Of > > > > > > > course > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I lied to him and told him I was! (Doesn't everyone plan for > > that > > > > > > day?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am now curios to find out what people are getting out of > > > > both > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >Turbo's and naturally aspirated FJ's and even SR's. Might be > > a > > > > good > > > > > > topic > > > > > > > > >for discussion?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone out there got any stories (preferably true) that > > they > > > > could > > > > > > > > >share. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --membersozdat------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > OZDAT Mailing List Please Note:- > > > > > > > > > Send (un)subscribe requests to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > Send submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > No unauthorised redistribution of this email > > > > > > > > > http://www.ozdat.com/ozdatonline/index.htm > > > > > > > > > http://www.ozdat.com/ozdatonline/listindex.html > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > > > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --membersozdat------------------------------------------------------- OZDAT Mailing List Please Note:- Send (un)subscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No unauthorised redistribution of this email http://www.ozdat.com/ozdatonline/index.htm http://www.ozdat.com/ozdatonline/listindex.html http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------
