just get a fucking guard dog...'nuff said.

On 8/30/05, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> Mine were locked too - with deadbolt locks. The locks did not stop him 
> from dragging over a chair and prying open the laundry room window.
>  
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> 256-656-1924
> www.kegkits.com <http://www.kegkits.com/>
>  
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> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *JabbaHursty
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2005 1:54 PM 
> *To:* Mercedes mailing list
> *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] the reality... loaded guns and kids!
> 
>  the door is locked. he'd have to break it open to enter. i imagine this 
> would even wake me up
> 
> 
> At 02:00 PM 8/30/2005, you wrote:
> 
> The "I'll wake up & catch him" theory is all wrong.
> 
> I woke up one night to find someone going through the stuff in my bedroom. 
> The light was off and I didn't move. The person walk out of the room, I 
> waited a few moments & sat up. Then I heard someone walk (not run) through 
> and out of the house - he left the back door open. Apparently, the person 
> was watching to see if he had woken me up. I had a loaded N frame S&W .357 
> in the nightstand and I'm convinced that he would have stolen it if I had 
> not woken up.
> 
> I own hand guns and these days they stay locked up at night.
> 
> I forgot to mention - I'm about to test for my TaeKwonDo black belt. 
> Providing I get close enough, the next intruder is going to be in some 
> serious pain!
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> 256-656-1924
> www.kegkits.com <http://www.kegkits.com/>
> 
> 
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> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] 
> *On Behalf Of *JabbaHursty
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2005 12:48 PM
> *To:* Mercedes mailing list
> *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] the reality... loaded guns and kids!
> 
> my strategy is simple.
> 
> i live alone. i keep the bedroom door locked. if you break in and i hear 
> you in the living room, i'll call the police and wait. if you try to break 
> the bedroom door down in the interim (can't imagine why you would, but if 
> you did) you get shot through the door by a large calibre handgun. 
> 
> it's a simple plan
> 
> if my kid is over, the guns stay locked up. it puts me at a large 
> disadvantage, but i can't see having any sort of loaded weapon around a 
> child. 
> 
> i keep a .45 in the car and carry it into my office. our office park is 
> secluded and has a history of crime, including violent crime. when i leave 
> at night, i am almost always the last one in this area to leave, but i'm 
> carrying the .45
> 
> i also have a .380 keltec that is so light i can wear it anywhere as 
> easily as wearing a cellphone.
> 
> i think i've got it fairly well covered
> 
> 
> At 12:38 PM 8/30/2005, you wrote:
> 
> 
> sirs 
> the reality or this matter is you are no safer with a gun in your home 
> than without as a matter of fact firearms can and have been used against the 
> owner either by a thief ( rarely) or during a domestic disturbance ( common)
> my point here is a crook breaks 
> it might be at 4:00 am will a person be able to do all of the necessary 
> stuff quickly,quietly and legally 
> think about it... you are sound a sleep and all of the sudden your wife 
> wakes you and all hell breaks loose can a gun be retrieved loaded police 
> called and on and on???
> and what if you found later it was your son sneaking in from a late night 
> with his buddies ????
> I have more guns than the navy 
> I don't want ppl to be disarmed ...ever
> what I want is for folks to at least understand is guns can and often are 
> stolen and later used against regular ppl 
> it seems like most ppl who own firearms never receive any training in the 
> care storage and use of them ( just going off to a range or shooting a few 
> rounds off into the woods aint gonna get it 
> AND HAVE NOOOOOO IDEA of the law 
> 
> it is my strongly held belief for home protection a 410 pump shotgun with 
> 00 buckshot is really the way to go 
> A its is intimidating as hell ... you rack a pump gun in any house 
> EVERYTHING STOPPS!!!!
> B it has the unequaled stopping power of a 41.cal. magnum
> C it for all of its power can be fired quite comfortably by a woman 
> D ammo is cheep 
> it can also be used to hunt ,sport shoot , and the gun does not cost a lot 
> to get the thing
> ideally it could be loaded, and locked with the cable lock made by 
> mossberg running thru the action so it could not be closed and therefore 
> fired the gun can be locked to a radiator or something heavy in a bed room 
> multiple keys then made and placed in strategic locations .. unlocking is 
> simple 
> 
> lastly 
> by the time recruits are taught anything about firearms its AFTER 7 MONTHS 
> OF ....LAW
> LAW...LAW!!
> our "one hour firearms course" has been expanded to 3 weeks! 500 rounds in 
> the morning, 500 rounds in the afternoon
> weapon retention , combat shooting, judgement, firearm safety, cleaning 
> ,action drills,
> then go run (fast)... stop!!! draw weapon and shoot accurately... 
> it goes on and on 
> I am sure you had the same training we did 
> I an sure you have actually picked up dead kids all shot to hell 
> I am sure you have seen the parents of these kids in anguish
> I am sure you have talked to ppl who thought you could get a gun , make 
> there home safe ,and a tragedy happened
> I am sure you have heard that single bagpiper playing amazing grace.. and 
> the 21 gun salute that follows....
> 
> so keep giving these people advice on keeping a loaded firearm in the 
> house around kids
> 
> because I am sure about you 
> 
> mike collins
> 1985 500 sec 
> 
> 
> On 8/29/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > A gun that is locked up and unloaded will do NO good when its needed.
> > People who keep their guns locked up etc probably should not be owning
> > guns in the first place if they are worried about their kids. When you
> > are a serious gun owner the first thing you should do is start out very
> > early educating your kids about guns, and not touching them. Sort of
> > takes the mystery out of it and they dont go messing with them when you
> > are not at home. I have plenty of weapons all loaded up and ready to go
> > around the house and the kids know not to mess with them. They have no
> > interest in messing with them. Now on the other hand, when we get to the
> > stage of them having friends over, a different approach will have to be
> > taken as most other kids will not have this sort of training.
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I agree with you 100 percent. I was raised in a house with loaded guns
> available all the time, and we never played with them. We were taught
> what guns could do. We watched livestock and game die from a gunshot, so
> the danger was impressed on us. Nowadays, folks don't want to
> "traumatize" their kids, so the kids never really KNOW the dangers of
> discharging a firearm.
> 
> Also, Mr. Policeman and his ilk think that because they took a one-hour
> course in firearm training at the academy, they should be the only ones
> allowed to carry weapons because they KNOW how to handle them.
> 
> I think the weapons should be taken away from the cops for a while so
> they could experience being disarmed while the criminals preyed on them.
> I think they would change their tune.
> 
> Just my 2 cents.
> 
> Thomas E. Potter
> Telephone: (713) 215-2877
> Fax: (713) 215-2551
> Mobile: (832) 794-0536
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