The best "deal" for the money right now appears to be a reasonably late model 
Chevy Impala or Pontiac Grand Prix or
Grand Am or whatever they call it. I see 2005 models advertised with 25K miles 
on them for $12K or so. Hard to beat
for size and price. Would also be similar in size to the Avalon that she had.

She only drives something like 600 miles per month and pretty well all of that 
is in the city. I think the Avalon
was as far away as Fargo ND once in the 5 years we had it. Her cars usually 
rust before the mechanicals wear out.
There may be an advantage to the Toyota on that issue as the 98 Avalon showed 
no signs of rust and was 10 years
old. By way of comparison, my 02 F150 shows a bit of rust in the bottom of the 
doors already.

She would be happy enough with an Accord or Camry but they want silly prices 
for used ones. If we do decide to buy
new it will probably be a Civic. Probably won't buy new though. I have had only 
2 new cars in my whole life and did
not find them any more satisfying that my used cars.

We have talked about small SUV's like RAV4 and CRV but again very pricy for 
what one gets and used market is still
very expensive.

Not many Ford 500's around here. I don't think many were sold. It is a rare 
sight on the road. I like the look of
the Buick Lucerne but expensive -might as well buy a Cadillac. Seems to be lots 
of those used. Probably not what we
want or need though.

Not may Mitsubushi's around here either. I see the odd one but could not tell 
you if there is a dealer anywhere
close. Friends have an Audi that they quite like.

Lots of choices out there. She will want to do something quickly though and 
will not truly care what it is so long
as it is reliable.

We bought the Avalon after a Taurus and a Sable. The Sable caused a lot of 
small problems and she complained
bitterly about it. We bought the Avalon in an effort to move up but it has 
caused its share of small problems too.
The basic body is very good and we had no major problems with the drive train 
but there were issues and some were
not resolved when it got wrecked. At least I don't have to work on it in the 
next month. I was wondering how I was
going to get it all done and now I won't have to. It was due for a timing belt 
and the steering rack needed to be
repaired or replaced. It leaked in cold weather - fine in the summer but left 
puddles in the garage all winter.
Also was due for a change of the tranny fluid and the antifreeze. Had bought 
both but hadn't done it yet. Also had
issues in  the climate control system. Something was not right as it tended to 
fog the windows in the cold
weather - probably related to the door that would cause it to recirculate the 
interior air not opening.

So the silver lining is that I didn't have to work on this stuff. The bad side 
is that I put $1100 worth of new
struts on it about a month ago and new rotors and pads on the back brakes about 
2 weeks ago.

It had nice clean Mobil 1 in the crankcase so someone out there should get a 
nice replacement motor to drop into a
Camry.

Randy

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] What would you buy now?


On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:39 PM, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> She is fine so that is the most important thing


Glad to hear no injuries involved, here.

Sort of lost on what to buy as a replacement however. Anyone with a crystal
> ball out there? Fuel mileage keeps coming to the forefront on our thoughts.
> A Honda Civic maybe? Don't really like small cars but most of her driving is
> very close to home so that might be alright. Don't want to spend a fortune
> but she will not be happy with any sort of a fixer upper so it has to be
> something relatively new.
>
> Randy


Unfortunately, a car is a fairly personal thing. Without knowing more about
you, your wife, your family and the wants, desires and needs of said
persons, no crystal ball in the world can really help. So we have to turn
the question around a little bit, and ask it from the other direction.

In my opinion, I wouldn't own a GM product of any recent vintage. They are
uninspired, also rans trying to keep up with other companies without the
same soul. The Ford Five Hundred is a decent car, and has ok fit and finish
for an American sedan and is available in AWD. Though, I wouldn't want a
Focus or an Edge. Chrysler actually has, again in my opinion, the best
American sedan right now in the Chrysler 300 / Dodge Charger. The Big Three,
as you can see, has way too short a list. One of the many, many reasons they
are struggling so hard right now.

Turning to Germany we have the obvious in Mercedes-Benz, as well as BMW
sedans, but may not be in the proper price point for a recent vehicle to be
worth consideration. As well as the drop in build quality of all auto
manufacturers due to economic concerns without a drop in the overall prices
expected. VW with the Jetta Diesels, awesome modern Diesel cars but not
quite in the "large" sedan category.

Asia, and specifically Japan, is where I have been for several years now.
Personally, I really prefer the Mitsubishi V6 and that includes the versions
that are in the 90's Chrysler's. That little engine is a hard bugger to
kill. I had a 7th Generation Galant with a 4 cyl that could easily get into
the 100 Mph range, and got high 20's mileage and had 170,000 miles on the
clock when I got rid of her. I have a 94 Diamante with the 3.0 V6 that has
250,000+ miles on the ticker and is currently in need of a major overhaul
because she's only getting about 15-17 Mph right now. She still starts first
hit of the starter, though. Currently, I'm driving the 03 Galant that is
arguably "My Wife's Car" as it was bought for her, but get better mileage
right now in the mid 20's that I'm driving it since she isn't working.

Your wife had a 98 Toyota, great cars Toyotas. Honda's have to have gold
lining in them somewhere, not that I've ever found it, but the prices they
ask on even junker ones is astounding to me. Suzuki, nifty little machines.
Had an Aerio for a time before an accident totalled it. But my crystal ball,
and my opinion, keeps wanting me to nudge you toward a 9th Gen Galant with
the MITEC V6 and leather trimmings. Heck, an 8th Gen like the one I'm in
right now is a great car, good mileage, seems to have inherited the genes
from the other Mitsu's I've owned and are easy to find in the $5000 - $9000
range, dependant upon options, mileage, etc.

However, as always, it's just my two cents on the subject and your mileage
may vary greatly.

EdB

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