> Robert Bigham wrote:

> I wrote that CV joints in my experience last forever if the
> boot is good, or words to that effect.  My experience is just
> that. I have driven hundreds of thousands of miles in CV joint
> equipped cars, mostly Volkswagens.

>    A couple of people said that they have had CV joint
>    failure without boot failure, that is, a joint or joints
>    failed while packed in grease in intact boots.  At least
>    I got that from what they wrote.  They didn't say about
>    water or gritters.

I was one of them.  Details of two of the more dramatic
failures follows.

> I find that really strange.  Do others experience CV joint
> failure without warning with intact boots, like the two seem
> to have experienced?  Does VW have a joint/boot design that is
> much superior to that on Benzes?  Why the difference?

How old were those VWs you were driving?

I have axles that are now over 30 years old.  I find it truly
amazing that any of them are still functioning.

I have had plenty of joints that leaked. The oil spoor is a
clear indication of the problem.  When there is not oil trail,
it's harder to diagnose the problem.  I had one joint fail
(factory boot, so far as I can tell) that made enough noise it
reminded me of a dragging tailpipe. Except the pattern and
rhythm were wrong and the tail pipe wasn't dragging.  I was
about 200 miles into a 800 mile trip with my family in the car
and a BIG business deadline to hit.  Within 50 miles of the
noise starting I used a gas station lot (11PM) to remove the
wheel and disconnected the axle shaft to be sure the problem
was not the wheel bearing.  I did _not_ want the wheel falling
of while on the interstate!

Once the business event was over, I took a close look at the
axle.  I could not feel play in either joint.  There was no
oil trail.  I decided to do the axle shaft first, but was
worried it was really the differential.

I recall I opened that joint and there was still lots of oil
inside and I had to look close to even see any evidence of the
wear that was causing the noise.

Another car, another day, I had one split one of the steel
balls.  No, I don't know how.  On that one, the boot was also
intact and when I opened it up, the oil and the the two ball
halfs came out.

Again, the newest of these is 25 years old.  I'm not at all
surprised that a few of them fail.

--    Philip

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