Did not know that. Definitely not the case in Missouri. Chris Royce Engler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Chris said...
>You will go to jail for murder if you do that. Can't shoot a guy running away! >No matter WHAT he did! In Texas, if it's "nighttime", you can use deadly force to prevent a perp from escaping with property stolen during a burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft. Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 265K _______________________________________ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, "Rose" -1987 300TD, 150K, "Rotkäppchen" -1985 300SD, 210K, "Wulf" -1976 240D, ?K, "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21" Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38" deck, Snowcaster, "One Banger" --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 29 03:38:17 2005 Received: from centrmmtao04.cox.net ([70.168.83.80]) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EgwJt-00046p-Gt for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:38:17 +0000 Received: from raec400 ([70.185.2.142]) by centrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:36:46 -0500 From: "Royce Engler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:35:24 -0600 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] GM, was: What? X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Mercedes mailing list <mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net> List-Unsubscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:38:17 -0000 I can tell you exactly when that happened on my '82 Pontiac Bonneville wagon. I was driving back to Houston from Fort Worth, stopped at a Texaco station in Waco and filled up with what turned out to be "wet" diesel fuel. Within 20 miles the engine started missing, and we barely made it back to Houston. At that time it had 40,000 miles on it. Took it in to the dealer and they said, oh, there's a "special" warranty on the IP and we'll replace it at no charge. No wonder they were in such a hurry to get me out of there. Never was the same after that, and the IP failed again at 70,000, and I dumped the car to get a '79 240D. Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 265K -----Original Message----- From: Loren Faeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:13 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: [MBZ] GM, was: What? WHY GM? In a rush to capture part of the growing diesel market after the second "gas shortage" (76 i think) GM dieselized its 350 gasser. it was available in Olds, chevy, and caddy big cars and pickups. They put an itty bitty fuel filter on it, hidden on the back of the intake manifold, and piped the OUT side of the filter on the bottom, where any water would collect. Any water in the fuel went to the injectors and ruined them, costing big bucks. The engines were prone to failure, and the dealers didn't want to service diesels, nor did their mechanics. Most problems were plugged fuel filters, or ruined nozzles. The engine was reasonably reliable, if you put a Racor or Master filter on them that really filtered the fuel and separated the water. (remember, this was another period when bad fuel was prevalent.) If pulled hard, the bottom end would go out. then, in the fall of 1984, GM made a very loud announcement that the diesel engine had no future in the US, and GM was stopping production of diesel engines. There was a lot more to the announcement, generally saying that if you bought or owned a diesel car that you were feeble minded. Not content with that mayhem, GM went to the EPA, and collaborated to toughen the emissions standards so that NO diesel engine in production or planning could meet the regulation. Until that day, GM had been ardently fighting the EPA and the greenie weenies on Diesel emission regs. GM diesel cars sat on lots or were junked. You could buy a nice GM diesel for $500, 1, 2, or 3 years old. The proclamation was so widely publicized that it killed the sales of Diesel cars for every manufacturer, even those committed, like MB and VW. Mercedes had already prepared the trap oxidizer for the CA market, and could meet the regs for 85-87. But the damage was done. There is a reason why 81-85 123 cars are so plentiful. They were very popular, and of course, very durable. But, very few diesels sold after the GM proclamation. There were a few SDLs sold in 86 and 87. There were a handful of TDs sold in 87, mostly for dealer roadside assistance vehicles. A few 124 300Ds sold. Ford sold most of its escort diesels to fleets such as GTE to use up the stock of engines. VW could not sell enough diesels to bother meeting the regs for a few years. THAT is why GM. If it weren't for GM, diesel cars would be selling at about 20% from 1985 until now. In 75 to 1980, I usually had the only Diesel at our MBCA section events. Sometimes there was one other car, a 220D or a 240D. Then at one meeting, I could not believe my eyes, Every car there was a diesel! 240Ds, 300Ds, CDs Over the winter everyone had traded for a new Diesel 123! Same people, they now had diesels. I think that was in the spring of 82. Loren At 08:35 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote: >Why GM? > > Chris
