it's possible i commingled 2 conversations. i do remember mentioning goering's preference for the model 10. wilton could clear this up by telling us what he trained on and what he carried or something like that
i have the model 19 rusty's father in law killed himself with. the family was going to just let it get smelted so i suggest it might be better to just sign it over to me On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Scott Ritchey <ritche...@nc.rr.com> wrote: > > I think Wilton later said it probably had a 4 inch barrel, maybe a model > 10. > That's what I trained on in 1968. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gary > Hurst > Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 10:48 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling > > he made claim that he was issued a small frame shot barrel revolver. from > his description it would be a J frame with a 2" or shorter barrel. maybe > he was issued a 4 inch barrel K frame. so we are talking about different > guns > > as for shooting your way out surrounded by your highly armed enemy, i don't > think it's going to matter a while hill of beans whether you are toting a > 1911 or a k frame revolver. neither will get you out and both leave you > relatively unarmed > > however, if you were telling me we were going to have a gun fight and > offered for me to "choose my weapon" i'd pick the 1911 and let you have the > revolver every time. i am unclear on why the air force chose to issue > revolvers as well > > > On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:39 PM, G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > We may be talking apples and oranges.. or we may be talking only apples.. > > Apparently.. crew issue sidearms were at the discretion of the armory at > > the departing base. Some flight crews were issued S & W, K frame/4 inch > > barrel/6 round revolvers.. which was authorized issue. Others had access > > to the more desired Colt 1911 which were, "sometimes available"... Other > > crews were permitted to arm themselves with personally owned weapons.. at > > the discretion of the commanding officer.. most likely.. > > > > Rank, after all.. has it's privilege, and Flight Officers did what they > > did. In Wilton's case.. what ever happened happened.. I recall being > > issued the standard S&W K frame.. and feeling seriously "unarmed" for the > > theater of operation. > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Gary Hurst <jabbahur...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > that is a different gun than wilton describes he was issued. are you > > > saying he is confused or are you discussing a completely different > > subject > > > than i am? or am i confused at to wilton's claims? > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:13 PM, G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-271423.html > > > > > > > > K frame.. 4 inch barrel... early issue aluminum cylinders were drawn > > back > > > > due to issues.. > > > > 6 round cylinders... very little firepower when you are hanging from > > > shroud > > > > lines after punching out from a SAM damaged F4 and your LZ is > populated > > > > with black pajamas and AK's and SKS's with bayonets. > > > > > > > > Jolly Green.. where are you? > > > > > > > > Grant... > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Gary Hurst <jabbahur...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > says 1950 on this ladysize. i don't think there are any ladysize > > with > > > 6 > > > > > shots > > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_36 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM, G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst < > jabbahur...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > by "back in the day", you are talking about 18 hundred and > what? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5 > > > > bullets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when do you fancy the lady sized was first made? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time > flys] > > G > > > I > > > > > > issue > > > > > > > > was 6 round, 4 inch barrel. > > > > > > > > The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. > yet.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose > the > > > > Nuke > > > > > > > > Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick > and > > > one > > > > > of > > > > > > > butt > > > > > > > > lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grant.. > > > > > > > > Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst < > > > jabbahur...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to > > weigh > > > > in > > > > > on > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To wit: More than once, within the past decade, the US > > > Supreme > > > > > > Court > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to > protect > > > > > > citizens. > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > only duty a policeman has is to protect himself. As > > stunning > > > > as > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > be... it is the foundational basis for police to be > armed.. > > > to > > > > > > > protect > > > > > > > > > > themselves, ONLY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We, the citizen, are on our own. [Sorry Andrew, bad > news, > > I > > > > > know]. > > > > > > > > > Police > > > > > > > > > > do not "stop crime". They "report crime". Then consume > > great > > > > > > amounts > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to > > > > gather > > > > > > > > evidence > > > > > > > > > > which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to > > > > prove a > > > > > > > crime > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > committed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we indeed had a "war on crime" as we are told we do.. > > the > > > > body > > > > > > > count > > > > > > > > > > would be much higher... and police officers would be much > > > > better > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > weapons > > > > > > > > > > handling. Some are.. many are not, as stated here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grant... > > > > > > > > > > Who was always amazed at the military who gave command > > pilots > > > > > nukes > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for > > > personal > > > > > > > > > protection > > > > > > > > > > when they ejected over hostile country... > > > > > > > > > > and always believed the crash axe was a better choice... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Scott Ritchey < > > > > > > ritche...@nc.rr.com> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread > > > > > misunderstanding > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > > > > nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely > > > > fostered > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > entertainment media. There are some well-trained and > > > highly > > > > > > > > competent > > > > > > > > > > > tactical police units but most police work is > > > administrative > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > processing and a systematic "showing of the flag." Not > a > > > > > > > criticism, > > > > > > > > > > that's > > > > > > > > > > > just how it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says > > it's > > > > > > > dangerous > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but > armed > > > > > police > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > safe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] > On > > > > > Behalf > > > > > > Of > > > > > > > > > clay > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM > > > > > > > > > > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and > rattling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was > chasing > > > > after > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > stop. 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