I don't remember the details of the .38 we B-52 crewmen were issued; I'm no firearms expert and I never fondled the gun/weapon to study it in detail. It stayed it the holster ALL of the time, 'cept when "clearing" it upon receipt and return. I knew how to use it if necessary and, obviously, for qualification. It was a .38 S & W with a short barrel - how short, I don't remember. I think it had 6 shots. I didn't care about the details of it 30 to 50 years ago, and I still don't.

I knew all of the intimate details of the nuclear weapons and/or conventional weapons (as appropriate) in our huge bomb bay and how to use them, but I had very little interest in the details of .38 cal S & W. Also had 3 crash axes in the cabin and a .22 cal (long rifle shells) fold-up survival rife in every seat pack survival kit on the airplane. 'Don't remember a lot of the details of those, either, but I knew how to use 'em.

Wilton

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Hurst" <jabbahur...@gmail.com>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling


that is a different gun than wilton describes he was issued.  are you
saying he is confused or are you discussing a completely different subject
than i am?  or am i confused at to wilton's claims?


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:13 PM, G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-271423.html

K frame.. 4 inch barrel... early issue aluminum cylinders were drawn back
due to issues..
6 round cylinders... very little firepower when you are hanging from shroud
lines after punching out from a SAM damaged F4 and your LZ is populated
with black pajamas and AK's and SKS's with bayonets.

Jolly Green.. where are you?

Grant...


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Gary Hurst <jabbahur...@gmail.com> wrote:

> says 1950 on this ladysize. i don't think there are any ladysize with > 6
> shots
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_36
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM, G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Back in the day.. circa.. 1967.. Vietnam...
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Gary Hurst <jabbahur...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > by "back in the day", you are talking about 18 hundred and what?
> > >
> > > the gun wilton describes having been issued should have had 5
bullets.
> > >
> > > when do you fancy the lady sized was first made?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM, G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Quite correct... however.. back in the day... [OK.. time flys] G > > > > I
> > issue
> > > > was 6 round, 4 inch barrel.
> > > > The 5 shot ladies size revolvers had not been produced .. yet..
> > > >
> > > > Now.. with the new military rules of engagement.. I suppose the
Nuke
> > > > Command officers are sent out with a fresh tube of lipstick and > > > > one
> of
> > > butt
> > > > lube.. in case they are captured.. wrapped in a white flag.
> > > >
> > > > Grant..
> > > > Late for my Kum byyy Yaaah drum cricle.. gotta run...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Gary Hurst > > > > <jabbahur...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > the small framed short barreled ones are 5 shots
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Against my desire to remain silent.. I feel the need to weigh
in
> on
> > > > this
> > > > > > discussion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To wit: More than once, within the past decade, the US > > > > > > Supreme
> > Court
> > > > has
> > > > > > ruled that it is NOT a duty of a policeman/woman to protect
> > citizens.
> > > > The
> > > > > > only duty a policeman has is to protect himself.  As stunning
as
> > this
> > > > may
> > > > > > be... it is the foundational basis for police to be armed.. > > > > > > to
> > > protect
> > > > > > themselves, ONLY.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We, the citizen, are on our own.  [Sorry Andrew, bad news, I
> know].
> > > > >  Police
> > > > > > do not "stop crime". They "report crime". Then consume great
> > amounts
> > > of
> > > > > > time and money chasing those who do crime... sort of.. to
gather
> > > > evidence
> > > > > > which may or may not meet the burden of proof at trial to
prove a
> > > crime
> > > > > was
> > > > > > committed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If we indeed had a "war on crime" as we are told we do.. the
body
> > > count
> > > > > > would be much higher... and police officers would be much
better
> at
> > > > > weapons
> > > > > > handling.  Some are.. many are not, as stated here.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Grant...
> > > > > > Who was always amazed at the military who gave command pilots
> nukes
> > > > then
> > > > > > armed them with 6 shot, short barrel .38 revolvers for > > > > > > personal
> > > > > protection
> > > > > > when they ejected over hostile country...
> > > > > > and always believed the crash axe was a better choice...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Scott Ritchey <
> > ritche...@nc.rr.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > All of this serves to highlight the wide-spread
> misunderstanding
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > real
> > > > > > > nature of most police work, a misunderstanding largely
fostered
> > by
> > > > the
> > > > > > > entertainment media. There are some well-trained and > > > > > > > highly
> > > > competent
> > > > > > > tactical police units but most police work is > > > > > > > administrative
> > > > > information
> > > > > > > processing and a systematic "showing of the flag."  Not a
> > > criticism,
> > > > > > that's
> > > > > > > just how it works.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > One common myth worth mentioning is the one that says it's
> > > dangerous
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > well-trained, law-abiding civilians to be armed but armed
> police
> > > are
> > > > > > safe.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > > > > clay
> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 3:49 AM
> > > > > > > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rattling
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Local cop is in trouble because the hooker he was chasing
after
> > > would
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > stop. She spun around, he could not tell what was going > > > > > > > on,
so
> > he
> > > > drew
> > > > > > his
> > > > > > > service weapon. While it exited his holster, it went off > > > > > > > and
> > shot
> > > > her
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > the leg.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > He needs some gun control
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > clay
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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