> Tim C wrote:
> > Oh, and you also left out every other situation (e.g, cars 
> often pull 
> > out in front of bikes) where loud pipes can be of benefit.
> 
> No, I didn't.  Driver error in this instance is due to lack 
> of proper operation 
> of the vehicle - checking blind spots, failure to adequately 
> judge distance or 
> speed, etc.  How do loud pipes correct this?  They don't.

They let the idiot know you're there, when they might well miss you.

T

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