Craig via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
January 10, 2017 at 11:13 PM
On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 23:15:30 +0000 (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
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You don't drive it very far though. Cold starting takes amps out of
your battery, the 123 has a relatively small (70a?) alternator. It
takes time and revs to put the amps you took out back in. A battery
minder plugged in during these cold times will help the battery stay
charged up. -Curt
I agree with Curt. But just in case Andrew wants to continue his
mule-headed ways and throw money at the car:
https://www.napaonline.com/napa/en/promotions/battery?icid=q1_jan-feb2017_$20-mail-in-rebate-napa-legend-battery
While he is there, he should have them test the battery and the
alternator. They probably will tell him the battery should be fully
charged before testing ...
Fortunately, changing an alternator in a W123 is MUCH easier than in an
'89 Chevy G20 van.
Craig
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Balogna. I drive this car EVERY day.
The simplest explanation is usually the answer. Gonna test my Diehard.
What does NAPA sell?
On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes<
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Well, when you buy die-Easy crap batteries in place of real batteries
what do you expect?
Did the guy adjust the valves right? Are the clearances right at
current temp?
If your engine/starting system was in good shape it would not need a
heater at moderate temps like you have.
You probably need a new cord for the heater, or it needs to be
plugged in to the heater.
Check the GP resistance
Check that each GP is getting power and the relay is working
Air, fuel, fire/compression. You need all three for internal
combustion.
Valves not adjusted = low compression = no fire
<5 working GPs = no fire
air leak= no fuel
Plugged intake= no air
I was in a home despot and saw they had group 49 batteries on the
shelf. $119 I'm thinking that is the best deal around.
If you insist on overpaying for batteries, at least buy and
interstate, You WILL get a good battery for you money. you pay 50%
more for the die-easy and get 50% less battery for an application
that needs 100 to 150% battery.
Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
January 10, 2017 at 9:56 AM
I broke down and got a jump-start this morning. It really needed to
crank and the battery wasn't up to the job. No heat in the engine,
so the block heater is inoperative. I tried the light bulb trick,
with no luck. Now the question remains, what is my problem? The
system glowed perfectly and the relay is good. Could it be glow
plugs? I just had a valve adjustment so that's not it. My instinct
says it's the DieHard battery again. I've had to
replace this roughly every 18 months.
On Jan 10, 2017 9:26 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes"<
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Curt Raymond via Mercedes<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
January 10, 2017 at 8:25 AM
I did that with the block heater in the ASV trail groomer the
snowmobile club has. We weren't sure it was working so I put the
Kill-A-Watt on it, sure enough it was drawing 800 watts. That
machine is terrible to start in the cold, the block heater is pretty
much required. -Curt
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On ours you can hear the gentle hiss when they're working. If it's
quiet outside. Otherwise, ammeter/wattmeter. Kill-A-Watt is highly
recommended,
and fairly cheap. Dozens of uses!
-- Jim
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January 10, 2017 at 12:51 AM
On ours you can hear the gentle hiss when they're working. If it's
quiet outside. Otherwise, ammeter/wattmeter. Kill-A-Watt is highly
recommended, and fairly cheap. Dozens of uses!
-- Jim
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Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
January 9, 2017 at 1:01 PM
I wonder if my W123 300TD block heater is broke
Had to plug it in to start Sat. night (18 deg.) but then it would not
start
Sunday although plugged in for 30 mins. Left it plugged in overnight
and this AM no luck - wouldn't fire. It's either gelled fuel or a
block heater gone south (no pun intended). I'll plug it in again
tonight but test for warmth to see if there's any action. I just had
the valves adjusted too... The outlet is OK - checked that.
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January 9, 2017 at 9:04 AM
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Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
January 10, 2017 at 5:15 PM
You don't drive it very far though. Cold starting takes amps out of
your battery, the 123 has a relatively small (70a?) alternator. It
takes time and revs to put the amps you took out back in. A battery
minder plugged in during these cold times will help the battery stay
charged up.
-Curt
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Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting your dizzel
Balogna. I drive this car EVERY day.
The simplest explanation is usually the answer. Gonna test my Diehard.
What does NAPA sell?
On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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Andrew Strasfogel <mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>
January 10, 2017 at 4:21 PM
Balogna. I drive this car EVERY day.
The simplest explanation is usually the answer. Gonna test my Diehard.
What does NAPA sell?
Curley McLain <mailto:126die...@gmail.com>
January 10, 2017 at 10:54 AM
Well, when you buy die-Easy crap batteries in place of real batteries
what do you expect?
Did the guy adjust the valves right? Are the clearances right at
current temp?
If your engine/starting system was in good shape it would not need a
heater at moderate temps like you have.
You probably need a new cord for the heater, or it needs to be plugged
in to the heater.
Check the GP resistance
Check that each GP is getting power and the relay is working
Air, fuel, fire/compression. You need all three for internal combustion.
Valves not adjusted = low compression = no fire
<5 working GPs = no fire
air leak= no fuel
Plugged intake= no air
I was in a home despot and saw they had group 49 batteries on the
shelf. $119 I'm thinking that is the best deal around.
If you insist on overpaying for batteries, at least buy and
interstate, You WILL get a good battery for you money. you pay 50%
more for the die-easy and get 50% less battery for an application that
needs 100 to 150% battery.
Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
January 10, 2017 at 9:56 AM
I broke down and got a jump-start this morning. It really needed to crank
and the battery wasn't up to the job. No heat in the engine, so the block
heater is inoperative. I tried the light bulb trick, with no luck. Now the
question remains, what is my problem? The system glowed perfectly and the
relay is good. Could it be glow plugs? I just had a valve adjustment so
that's not it. My instinct says it's the DieHard battery again. I've
had to
replace this roughly every 18 months.
On Jan 10, 2017 9:26 AM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes"
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