peter, do you also have words to say over the 126? i was a bit distressed twice this last weekend on a great trip from spokane to port townsend, wa where my '86 300sdl was not handling as usual...it felt as if the right front was diving into hard turns...but the left side did well...these turns were at about 80mph on the good freeway off the top of a pass...
i have two studded tires on the rear that are different than the front....the tire pressure is correct, and the steering is tight. perhaps you have generalisations concerning this chasis?? tha nx jjj -------------- Original message -------------- From: Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Roll oversteer means that the rear end will "steer" into the turn as > the body leans over. What this does is limit the speed at which the > car will corner as the back end starts to come around. This > incidentally unloads the OUTSIDE tire (the one taking most of the load > in this case) by reducing the slip angle -- and the tightness of the > turn. Since the front end sway bar is pretty heavy, this will also > lift the inside rear corner, and can even lift the inside front tire, > all with the intended consequence of making the driver slow down! The > jacking sensation at the rear is a warning you are approaching the > handling limit of the car, with plenty of time. > > End result is that the W123 won't corner was well as the W115/114 at > the same speed, but you won't blow the outside tire off the rim, either > -- needless to say, THAT will reduce handling to near zero!. W115/114 > chassis cars handle FLAT, very little body roll, quite nice, but I've > both been warned about the tire unmount and talked to people it > happened to -- lucky, there were no trees when he ran off the road. > > Roll oversteer is very easy for the driver to feel and to compensate > for (lift the accelerator, for instance), and the car remains stable > and in control. Benz may have overdone it in the W123, but after all, > these are really luxury rides, not sports cars. > > The W124 does indeed handle better (by the numbers generated), but is > somewhat less forgiving. Overdrive it hard enough and the rear end > loses traction before the front does, and it goes end for end with > nowhere near as much warning as the W123. It also is harder to get > back under control when this happens, too -- less margin for error. > > Peter > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.striplin.net > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Mar 06 02:07:55 2006 Received: from mxa.windwireless.net ([199.164.167.40]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FG58d-0006M5-8j for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 02:07:55 +0000 Received: from dogear.com (IP-206-63-94-251.progress.wi-fi.windwireless.net [206.63.94.251] (may be forged)) by mxa.windwireless.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k2628SFQ026647 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 18:08:28 -0800 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 18:07:50 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scan: smtp-vilter X-SMTP-Vilter-Version: 1.1.0rc2 X-SMTP-Vilter-Backend: Clam AntiVirus Daemon (clamd) X-SMTP-Vilter-Status: clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0rc4 (mxa.windwireless.net [199.164.167.40]); Sun, 05 Mar 2006 18:08:29 -0800 (PST) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] *sigh* X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net> List-Unsubscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 02:07:55 -0000 > first you have to take the door apart. Whomever decided to change how > the door goes together should be shot. Anybody go a light tan W201 > driver's side door inside? I broke all the clips but 2. Every other > door I've ever had off pulled out. The newer the design, the less easy it is to take it apart without breaking it. 124, 126, and 201 doors are hard. -- Jim
