Builders can be idiots. Ours was, mainly because they were tossing homes up so fast they weren’t paying attention to details like we did.
They had these little multi-part carbonless forms you could fill out to address discrepancies you found. After about 30 days or so of the framing going up they just gave us a box of them. Understand that we didn’t ask for or point out anything that wasn’t clearly spelled out in the construction documents - nearly every issue was their own fault. We cost them so much on that house that they ended up changing their construction practices in some areas and even changed the contract. They were simply being half-assed and we caught them at it and held them up to the standards they were allegedly maintaining. Nowadays, builders will make you sign a contract with arbitration clauses and NDAs. That wasn’t the case in 1995. Our house in Indiana has arbitration clauses for darned near every aspect of the contract. This way they can fight you and not get hauled into court, which is far more expensive - and - the NDA prevents you from going public about the problem(s) you arbitrated. Pretty sneaky. -D > On Dec 11, 2020, at 8:29 PM, Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > This isn't helping my opinion of builders. > > Brother-in-law and his wife are in the final stages of having a place built, > its been more than a year since ground was broken. Builder dragged his feet > all spring, blamed COVID but they hadn't done much more than dig a hole > before March. > Now they're having trouble getting power hooked up. Turns out the builder > didn't even try until 3 months ago. Had a whole dang year and didn't bother > to try, built the whole place while running generators. > > BIL wisely won't let me talk to the builder... > > -Curt > > On Friday, December 11, 2020, 8:21:45 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > We’ve always owned our tanks for just that reason. > > Our former house across the street has a 100 gallon tank buried in the front > yard. Right after we moved in the LP supplier that filled and supplied it to > the builder sent us a bill for the monthly tank lease payment. > > Nope. > > In the bill of materials for the adder that covered all of the LP system > installed in the house was a 100 gallon underground tank, related piping, > etc., etc. We paid for that adder (around $800, I seem to recall.) When we > told the LP supplier we owned the tank, they said no. We went to the builder > and pointed out that we paid for the tank as a part of the adder based on the > contract. > > “But all of the tanks we supply are leased.” > > "Nope. We paid for this one, it’s in the bill of materials. Contractually, > it’s ours. Builder shall supply…." > > Builder had to buy out the lease for the tank. Lesson learned. > > -D > > > On Dec 11, 2020, at 8:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > > <mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote: > > > > My parent's propane supplier royally screwed up this year. Their tanks are > > 30+ years old and the supplier decided to stop filling them. They never > > bothered to tell anybody this and the tanks ran out 2 days before > > Thanksgiving. > > It turns out that the supplier owns the tanks. With egg on their face they > > had to provide an emergency tank the day before Thanksgiving. I'm curious > > to find out how long the "temporary" tank stays... > > > > -Curt > > > > On Friday, December 11, 2020, 6:54:54 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > > <mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote: > > > > Most people have NatGas available and use it. > > The rest of us, we mostly use Propane in the Great Lakes, while there's > > still a lot of oil in New England. > > > > Propane markets seem somewhat independent of crude oil prices. > > My new vendor was $0.92 back in January, so I was really looking forward > > to the summer price bottom. So, what did I pay in August? $0.95 plus > > tax. > > I'm the guy who owns my own tanks and doesn't have the cost of the tank > > baked into my propane pricing. But this was a cheap year for tank > > renters too, my Mom's winter contract is fixed at 1.399. > > > > On 2020-12-11 18:11, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > >> The market is probably speculating that with vaccines starting to roll > >> out that travel (and fuel use) will be starting to pick up again. > >> > >> Also January would be peak season for use of heating oil? Not sure > >> whether enough people still heat with oil for that to be a big > >> factor. Last time I talked with my furnace guy, he said there's like > >> two > >> people in my area that know anything about oil furnances, but oil was > >> never big in this area. 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