I am not arguing with Laurence, the photos of the thin sections, the oxygen isotope data seems clear. I am simply showing there is a little more going on with Katol than common (l6). You can examine the piece in Tucson when you come down for the show. I think you'll like it. Michael Farmer
Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 2, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Carl Agee <[email protected]> wrote: > > Mike, > > Given the wide range of lithologies we are hearing about, all I am > saying it might be interesting to test the multiple lithologies and > confirm what you are saying. I am not suggesting anything about > multiple bodies or not, I don't have an opinion. I am simply > describing how you could provide geochem evidence to form a well > supported hypothesis. By the way, Laurence's BSE's on FB are > unequivocal L6 -- nice equilibrated chondrules! > > Carl > ************************************* > Carl B. Agee > Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics > Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences > MSC03 2050 > University of New Mexico > Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 > > Tel: (505) 750-7172 > Fax: (505) 277-3577 > Email: [email protected] > http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ > > > >> On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Michael Farmer <[email protected]> wrote: >> Carl, you you suggesting this might be from different fall? I was there less >> than two weeks after the fall. I bought pieces as they were being found >> right in front of us. When we showed up with cash the whole village ran >> around picking up stones in 52 degree C (120f) heat. There were stones >> everywhere including on the street. No one cared until we came with money. >> We found one stone ourselves. Nearly every villager had stones. It is dead >> center India, among the poorest places on earth. I saw 5 iron only pieces >> and numerous partial iron and partial stone pieces. >> Whatever Katol is, (L6), it has large iron chunks inside and some become >> complete individuals during the fall. >> I really would like I clarify that this piece is Katol, I was there as it >> was found, we bought it seconds after the finder picked it up from beside >> his house. Can we please accept that this is Katol, not another meteorite! >> Michael Farmer >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 2, 2014, at 8:48 AM, Carl Agee <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi MikeG and All: >>> >>> The iron might be from L6 if it turns out that the few silicates in it >>> (olivine and pyroxenes) have L6 geochem. You see that in the H-metal >>> from Yucca. Of course large metal masses are probably not as commonly >>> associated with L. Also if you had oxygen isotopes of the silicate >>> inclusions from the iron or for that matter oxygen isotopes of the >>> lithologies that seem to be more like achondrite, you could start to >>> sort out if it is all from the same meteoroid. >>> >>> Carl Agee >>> ************************************* >>> Carl B. Agee >>> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics >>> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences >>> MSC03 2050 >>> University of New Mexico >>> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 >>> >>> Tel: (505) 750-7172 >>> Fax: (505) 277-3577 >>> Email: [email protected] >>> http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Hi Mike and List, >>>> >>>> Mike, and the behalf of countless others, I hope we hear that story >>>> one day. I imagine it must have been pretty bad for you to say it was >>>> a "little scary". >>>> >>>> There are a predominance of stony lithologies, but Mike's iron is >>>> obviously not an L6 chondrite. So what do we call a mass like Mike's >>>> superb iron shield? Do we refer to his specimen as " Katol (L6)" or >>>> do we refer to it as something else? Does Katol have some similarity >>>> with Almahata Sitta, in the sense that stones with different >>>> lithologies (and classifications) shared the same strewnfield? >>>> >>>> So, a majority of hand specimens show a curious lithology that is >>>> granular, shocked, and originating from the L-chondrite group. Has >>>> anyone tried to plot the affinities from the specimens like Mike's >>>> that don't match the majority lithology? I'd be curious if they also >>>> fit into the L-chondrite group, or, if they were xenoliths hitching a >>>> ride in the Katol rubble-pile. >>>> >>>> Good stuff. It's about time that Katol gets some serious attention. :) >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> MikeG >>>> -- >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com >>>> Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >>>> Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone >>>> Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 1/1/14, Michael Farmer <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Yes, this piece is oriented heat shield shaped with countless flow lines >>>>> and >>>>> bubbles on the thick backside crust. There are a couple of crystal-rich >>>>> sections. It is one of my favorite pieces in my collection, the adventure >>>>> to >>>>> acquire was a little scary. >>>>> Laurence Garvie has taken many photos of it, I am sure he has incredible >>>>> photos I haven't seen. This photo was the only one I got. >>>>> The piece is still at ASU on loan, it will be on display at the Tucson >>>>> show. >>>>> Michael Farmer >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 1, 2014, at 5:27 PM, Carl Agee <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh, of course, this the metal-rich piece? >>>>>> ************************************* >>>>>> Carl B. Agee >>>>>> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics >>>>>> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences >>>>>> MSC03 2050 >>>>>> University of New Mexico >>>>>> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 >>>>>> >>>>>> Tel: (505) 750-7172 >>>>>> Fax: (505) 277-3577 >>>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>>> http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Michael Farmer <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> No chondrules. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 2014, at 4:25 PM, Graham Ensor <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think it is almost totally nickel iron and the marks are flow lines >>>>>>>> and small impact pits similar to those you find on Sikhote Alin... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Graham >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Carl Agee <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Or perhaps the sphericals are vesiculation of fusion crust? I agree >>>>>>>>> with Jim, it would be nice to see some BSE images. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Carl >>>>>>>>> ************************************* >>>>>>>>> Carl B. Agee >>>>>>>>> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics >>>>>>>>> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences >>>>>>>>> MSC03 2050 >>>>>>>>> University of New Mexico >>>>>>>>> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tel: (505) 750-7172 >>>>>>>>> Fax: (505) 277-3577 >>>>>>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Carl Agee <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Beautiful oriented and flow lines! I assume all the circular and >>>>>>>>>> spherical shapes are chondrules peeking through the fusion crust? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sharing Mike! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Carl >>>>>>>>>> ************************************* >>>>>>>>>> Carl B. Agee >>>>>>>>>> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics >>>>>>>>>> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences >>>>>>>>>> MSC03 2050 >>>>>>>>>> University of New Mexico >>>>>>>>>> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tel: (505) 750-7172 >>>>>>>>>> Fax: (505) 277-3577 >>>>>>>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Jim Wooddell >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Jeff! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Would love to see a polished window image as well as some BSE images >>>>>>>>>>> now! >>>>>>>>>>> Maybe Laurence or whoever has them can share! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If this thing is going to have a paper published we may have to >>>>>>>>>>> wait! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jim >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/1/2014 11:35 AM, Jeff Grossman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mike's photo in posted in the database now. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/1/2014 1:19 PM, Jim Wooddell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Jim Wooddell >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>>>>>>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>>>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>>>>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>>>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>>> ______________________________________________ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list [email protected] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
