Truer words have never been spoken...by the way, where are you going with
your 1 grand for the upgarde. I had found a web site, through this user
group that still sold SmartCAM packages. However, when I go there it is no
longer there. 

The web site was called Productivity Group at
http://www.productivitygroup.com
And the contact was a Stacy Runnells at +1 (888) 297-1435


                -----Original Message-----
                From:   Bob Looney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
                Sent:   Friday, July 14, 2000 8:42 PM
                To:     Jon Baker; Michael Senack; SmartCam Tech (E-mail)
                Subject:        RE: [mfg-smartcam] Pro/Manufacture

                spend the 1 grand, it's the same GUI you're used to, works
and feels the same, and you have FREE tech support right here in this forum.
                ps: you can't buy, implement, and tweak a new app for
$1,000.

                 -----Original Message-----
                From: Jon Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
                Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 6:00 PM
                To: Michael Senack; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; SmartCam Tech
(E-mail)
                Subject: Re: [mfg-smartcam] Pro/Manufacture


                OK, so we are, in a round about way, discussing, (dissing)
other CAM
                products.  I use SC freeform, v11.5 and it works great for
me.  I also have
                an old seat of SC production Turn, V6.0, DOS.  For the
little I use it, it
                is ok, HOWEVER, it is DOS based, which puts a damper on
networking, printer
                sharing, file name size, video cards, etc etc etc.
SOOOOOO.........
                Do I pony up the $1000 to upgrade to prod turn 11.5, or is
there some other
                simple 2 axis turning program that will function easily that
won't cost as
                much, but is windows based.  Any suggestions guys????
                Jon
                 ----- Original Message -----
                From: "Michael Senack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
                To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "SmartCam Tech (E-mail) "
                <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
                Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 11:23 AM
                Subject: RE: [mfg-smartcam] Pro/Manufacture


                > Lets see the demo guy said I would need the following...
                > 1) 1 week of intro to Pro/E
                > 2) go off and experiement for 8 to 12 weeks on my own
                > 3) 1 week of  Pro/Manufacture
                > 4) 1 week of  post processor ( optional if you decide to
buy your post
                > processors at $1000 a pop per machine plus any tweaking is
extra cost per
                > hour )
                >
                >
                >
                > -----Original Message-----
                > From: Bob Looney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
                > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 1:34 PM
                > To: SmartCam Tech (E-mail)
                > Subject: RE: [mfg-smartcam] Pro/Manufacture
                >
                > tell him you want to join the user list before you put
your
                > money down. had
                > we joined and learned what the users thought of Visual
Mfg.
                > (accounting, job
                > cost, etc.) we probably would not have bought that piece
of
                > crap.
                > bob
                >
                > -----Original Message-----
                > From: Bill Schoeppe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
                > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 5:00 PM
                > To: Michael Senack; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
                > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
                > Subject: Re: [mfg-smartcam] Pro/Manufacture
                >
                >
                > PRO-I is no cake walk to learn but in 3 or 4 years you can
                > make it do some
                > pretty awesome stuff!
                >
                >     thanks bill
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: Michael Senack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
                > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
                > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
                > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 8:32 AM
                > Subject: [mfg-smartcam] Pro/Manufacture
                >
                >
                > > Okay fellow SmartCAM users I finally got a demo of  PM
                > ( Pro/Manufacture )on
                > > a real milling part that we make here. The demo was
good,
                > and the demo guy
                > > did not put on a dog and pony show. A lot of my
questions
                > were answered
                > > satisfactorily and get this, the questions  that he
could
                > not answer he
                > > said, "I don't know if PM can do that but I can look
into
                > that for you."
                > >
                > > The demo guy mentioned that there is a Pro/E and
                > Pro/Manufacture user
                > group
                > > to post questions. So that in itself is a bonus based on
                > my SmartCAM user
                > > group postings.
                > >
                > > So with that in mind, what I would like to get is some
                > input from anybody
                > > whom has had an encounter with PM. Stuff like... How is
                > their technical
                > > support? How long is the learning curve to become
                > efficient enough in PM
                > to
                > > say it's time to plug the on SmartCAM? Anything...
                > >
                > > Thanks
                > >
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