I second this opinion. I know my company will not pay for me to be on this 
mailing list. I hope that you reconsider your plan to charge for this.

Steve


===== Original Message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] at 12/18/03 10:04 am
>Mr. Olson,
>
>First, let me say how wonderful it is that you're stepping in to continue
>to develop such a valuable and versatile product. I've used SmartCAM at
>several companies since I became a full-time programmer 11 years ago.
>Except for one 3-day basic class, I've taught myself, or learned with the
>help of the good people on this list, to use the product with remarkable
>proficiency.
>
>Unfortunately, the last company I worked for that used SmartCAM closed down
>their CNC shop and moved, laying us off. I found my current job with a
>company that was using several different CAM packages at the same time, and
>because SmartCAM was no longer being supported/developed, I was unable to
>sway the decision to buy it. Instead, they went with Mastercam. I'm still
>trudging my way through the learning curve, finding it very frustrating to
>do with 8 mouse clicks something I could do with 2 in SmartCAM, and
>learning "how to walk" all over again.
>
>To make a long story short, I am no longer what you consider part of the
>"'current' customer base", not by choice, but by circumstances beyond my
>control. I don't own a personal seat of SmartCAM, nor can I afford one. I
>am on the current e-mailing list at my job, and at home, so I can continue
>to expand my knowledge of the product, to offer help when I can to others
>on the list, and hopefully better my skills for when and if I go to a
>company that is still using it, and I know many in my area still are. I
>understand there are costs associated with maintaining the list, but I
>won't be allowed to pay a fee to join the list through my work, which is
>where I read the majority of these emails, and by the time I get around to
>checking my email at home, it might be days, sometimes a week or more
>before I could respond and maybe help someone that needed more immediate
>help, not that there isn't more than enough talent to help them on this
>list already.
>
>I guess my point is that the 333 current subscribers on this list, many
>that have been loyal members for years should not be charged a fee, small
>or not, to remain on the list, when in my opinion, without them, most
>SmartCAM users, including myself would have had to change CAM packages long
>ago after development and support was stopped, effectively "carving the
>headstone" for SmartCAM.
>
>If need be, I will pay the fee to keep current at home, only because I want
>to continue to learn everything I can about SmartCAM so I can go to a shop
>that still has it and get back to using what I consider a great product.
>
>Just my thoughts,
>Bob.
>
>Robert T. Callahan
>Greene, Tweed & Co.
>CNC Programmer
>Corporate Manufacturing
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>215-256-9521 ext. 1569
>
>
>
>
>
>                    "Gregg Olson"
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>                    12/18/03 01:44 AM
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>
>
>Hello everyone!
>
>I'm sure some of you were wondering if I really existed or whether I was
>just a product of John Gent's imagination.
>
>Its been great to see the response on this mail list, and I thought the
>first thing I should share with you are my thoughts on the list itself.
>
>I've seen a couple questions on what's going to happen to this list?
>
>Well ... eventually MRS is going to have to take over responsibility for
>the list   So at the very least, its going to necessitate a server change
>at some point.  But we'd like to take it further than that.  Currently
>there are only 333 subscribers to the list and not all of them are even
>SmartCAM customers.  Even so,  that's only a tiny fraction of the number of
>people we estimate who are still using SmartCAM in the world today.  What
>we'd like to do is make it a membership based list that's for active
>customers and subscribers and other key SmartCAM community members.  That
>way we will be able to share more confidential support information and
>business planning information with the list than I feel we currently can
>give out, given the current list membership.  (I'm sure the gentleman from
>Gibbs who is a current member of the list would understand.)
>
>I see membership in the list being included if you're a part of the
>'current' customer base.  That means  if you're on active maintenance or
>have a current version from MRS that includes maintenance you would
>automatically have free membership.   If you were a customer but not
>active, in other words, you have an older version and you're not on
>maintenance, then you could join the list for a small admin fee.  If
>however you're not really a customer, dealer or some other trusted member
>of the community  (but say a competitor for instance) you would not be
>allowed membership to the list.   I understand that things we publish to
>the list will eventually get out if someone wants it bad enough, I just
>don't want to mail it to them directly.
>
>I'd like to see the list continue to carry the kinds of technical
>discussions and Q&A that it currently does, but I'd also like to develop it
>as primary vehicle for delivering company and product announcements, tech
>tips, support info, etc.  For it to be truly effective however we need to
>expand it to include a much larger segment of the customer base.  This can
>have both positive and negative effects.  It makes for a much larger
>knowledge pool to tap into, but it might also have the effect of lowering
>the standards for communications on the list.
>
>That leads me to list etiquette.   This list has always operated at a very
>high level.  If the list membership begins to expand, we would like to
>count on the original membership to set an example and help maintain that
>high level of integrity.  We see the members of this list as probably being
>the most representative of the type of customer we want to have and keep.
>Surprisingly, when we conducted our survey last year, we discovered there
>are still a small number of SmartCAM users who are completely unconnected
>with no internet or email at work OR at home.  Unfortunately we may have to
>leave some of them behind.  We aren't going to have the resources to do
>onsite visits.  We will need to conduct a lot more business (product and
>services) over the phone and internet.
>
>Finally, I saw a comment in one of the earlier responses to 'buy American'.
>I want to remind everyone that SmartCAM is a worldwide product, and the
>membership of this list reflects that.  We all need to remain aware of that
>as we post here.  Now, having said that, I think I understand the sentiment
>behind the statement, so given the global nature of SmartCAM,  I think the
>phrase 'support a living wage' conveys that same sentiment and honors the
>global nature of this forum, and is something we support here at MRS.
>
>Thanks again for all the encouraging responses,
>--gregg
>
>
>
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