All that *is* mind boggling!
In silicon valley, several startups are working on microbes that produce oil, including one that digests garbage and oil floats to the top so pure it can be put right into diesel engines. The process is carbon negative too! There is also algae oil, and back to traditional dead dinosaurs oil, enhanced recovery which could add hundreds of billions of reserves right from existing wells. I believe we are in a upcoming age of energy diversity that will break all the assumptions, and for the better. _____ From: Tony Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 7:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected] Subject: Re: NPC: NMC: Drill Here. Drill Now. Pay Less - Petition Example of Global Supply and Demand - Quote from a Agora Financial "The Economist reports that car ownership in Russia is well below that of other developing countries. In Russia, about 200 out of every 1,000 people own a car. The ratio is over 500 out of every 1,000 people in Europe, and about 800 in the U.S. In 2007, new car sales were up 36% by volume - some 57% by value, reflecting the new buying power of Russia's burgeoning middle class. Some think that this year, Russia will surpass Germany as Europe's largest car buyer. "[According to Ernst & Young], by 2012, Russians will be buying more than 5 million new cars a year," The Economist continues, "of which nearly 90% will be foreign brands." Think of the consequences of so many new cars hitting the road. Add in China and India. Think of all the fuel they will have to burn. All the steel consumed. The roads yet to be paved. The storefronts and hotels and all the trappings that go with an increasingly mobile population. It's mind-boggling. Some might mourn the passing of Russia's wild frontier. But these changes are like letting the toothpaste out of the tube. They seem irreversible. Russians, enjoying the taste of this new wild form of capitalism, would seem unlikely to shift into reverse. Strange things happen all the time, of course, but I'm betting Russia will stay in the big leagues with China, India and Brazil as an economic powerhouse." Chris wrote: Actually, you are correct that it's the economics that will act like a law of physics in changing consumers direction. I now have 2 geo metro's, something I never would have considered at $2.00 gas - and look forward to the Chevy Volt, and all the other cool second gen alternative cars on the drawing board. As to water, (and electricity) I feel it should cost more after a certain amount. That way basic uses will remain affordable, but water and electricity hogs such as Al gore will be given a financial incentive to replace their missing conscience,. Here in RI, our Governor has proposed a vast wind farm just off shore (where there is ideal wind), to generate 15% of our electricity. Once the mob finds a way to get their cut, Im sure there will be no stopping it. _____ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 1:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: NPC: NMC: Drill Here. Drill Now. Pay Less - Petition I have said for years - although no one has ever listened - that gasoline should cost more. I'll complain as much as anyone, but price will - and already has - had a major impact on the consumer's decision making. New truck and SUV sales are way off this year. Ever ride bumper cars at the fair? Nobody gets hurt because all the "vehicles" are the same size. That's the way to make our streets and highways safer as well. And, FWIW, here in the arid west water should be a lot more expensive as well. It is way to cheap and people make a lot of bad decisions based on cheap water. Jim in Tucson In a message dated 6/20/2008 9:53:40 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Personally, I would love to see oil stay high like it is - but not enough to break the economy - and let the economics continue to spur alternatives to enough of an unstoppable degree that even if the competition drives oil back down (not likely with china and india and oil nations themselves increasing demand), we have other choices. There seems delightfully a bewildering array of alternatives RIGHT NOW! solar, wind, thermal, tidal, safer nuclear, electricf cars, hydrauilic hybrids, better batteries, fuel cells, smart highways, SO MUCH! Why would anyone go back to singular reliance on stinky fossil fuels alone? _____ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert McElwee Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 12:36 AM To: Fred Hubert Cc: miatapower List Subject: Re: NPC: NMC: Drill Here. Drill Now. Pay Less - Petition Even though I disagree with everything Thomas said and have a huge problem with his leftist thinking, I don't see any reason to stop him from saying it. If he wants to show that he is a complete moron (in a NMC/NPC thread) I have no problem with it. If someone starts spouting political garbage in my "rear main oil seal" thread then they should be strung up by their testicles. On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Fred Hubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Let's keep the politics off list please. ~ Fred Thomas Smith wrote: > I think we need to see this issue for what it really is. Access to > cheaper oil will not lower gas prices, but it will increase oil > company profits which I think is the likely goal of the Bush > administration. This idea that the oil companies would pass any cost > reductions onto the consumer is comical. -- Robert McElwee and Blue Flash "The 40 MPG Miata" www.lightweightmiata.com/mpg Lightweight Miata Forum: www.lightweightmiata.com/forum The Miata Trailer Project: www.lightweightmiata.com/trailer _______________________________________________ Miatapower mailing list [email protected] http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower _____ Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars <http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007> . _____ _______________________________________________ Miatapower mailing list [email protected] http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower
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