Easy test to find out if they're the same rate...

sit them side by side and measure how long they are (free length)

Stand on them one at a time and measure the donni-length with you on them
(have someone do this so you dont break your head)

if you're right, the deflection should be the same.

Matt

> Agreed. Point being i have 2 sets of FM springs from the same era and
> ostensibly the same rates. That being the case, the longer one should
> and DID produce an increase in ride height.
>
> On 8/25/08, Matt Yates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> spring free length is not necessarily tied to ride height.
>>
>> example: a spring 10 inches long and 100 lb/in rate will compress 5
>> inches
>> to support a 500 lb load.
>>
>> a spring 6 inches long with a 500 lb/in rate will compress 1 inch to
>> support a 500 lb load.
>>
>> both will end up 5 inches long when loaded to 500 lbs.  the difference
>> is
>> that when you put another 100 lbs on the longer spring, it will compress
>> another inch while the shorter spring will only compress 1/5 of an inch.
>>
>> oh and if your tie rods aren't the same length, you may have more
>> steering
>> travel in one direction and less in the other?
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>> OK. I can see that. But it sounds as if this would always be the case
>>> with
>>> this configuration then. So with a shorter spring, why doesn't the
>>> right
>>> side rub?
>>>
>>> Not being combative, just trying to understand.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Keith Tanner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  FCM bumpstops will definitely contribute to the problem - they're
>>>> intended to increase compression travel. What happens when you get too
>>>> much
>>>> compression travel up front? The tire rubs. Been there, done that.
>>>>
>>>> Keith Tanner
>>>> Flyin' Miata
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>
>>>>  ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Donni
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 25, 2008 1:34 PM
>>>> *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> *Cc:* [email protected]
>>>> *Subject:* Re: Test message (now suspension)
>>>>
>>>>  His mounts with the old FM springs would just be scary! I can't
>>>> imagine
>>>> that bumpstop would be the issue though. I might call him anyhow. He
>>>> doesn't
>>>> respond to email from what I hear.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 3:26 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Maybe contact fat cat and see if he's had this problem before with a
>>>>> similar setup.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ross
>>>>>
>>>>>  *From:* Donni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 25, 2008 3:01 PM
>>>>> *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> *Cc:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [email protected]
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Test message (now suspension)
>>>>>
>>>>> I SOOO hope it's a perch. You really think the FCM 46mm bumpstops
>>>>> could
>>>>> be
>>>>> an issue?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm pretty certain there's no tweakage.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 2:58 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is a pic of me with 13x8 Keizers (the good ones made before
>>>>>> 1994)
>>>>>> w/
>>>>>> 5" BS on a Hoosier 225/45/13.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://members.aol.com/solomiata/DP57d.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is a pic with the same wheel (rear) with a 22" tall x 9.5" wide
>>>>>> Formula Continential tire
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://members.aol.com/FE3N/4-2002W.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Never had any rubbing problems.  200# rear springs (Racing Beat
>>>>>> "race"
>>>>>> fronts in rear position) with 1" bump stops.  I agree with Keith
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> if the
>>>>>> unibody/subframes are not tweaked it likely is a bump stop or upper
>>>>>> perch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Randy
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