Where do you live that you think that there are people in the US will “never get to see a doctor” Have you ever been in an emergency room and seen all the people using it to get their primary care since they don’t have a regular doctor?
I also LOVE the attitude that in Canada you will EVENTUALLY get to see a doctor?? I don’t want to EVENTUALLY get to see a doctor. I want to see a doctor when I need one. Larry Alster 91 Miata White Knight 92 Miata Silver Bullet 92 Miata Honey B 04 MSM MX-5 Whooosh 06 WRX STi Subie From: Matt Goertz [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:09 PM To: Larry Alster; 'MataPowerList' Subject: Re: ABC News' John Stossel Blows Lid off ObamaCare Because they have extra money. They're paying for that medical care. They could have stayed in Canada to pay for that higher level of medical care. We have private clinics in every major city that specialize in every treatment that they could make a business case to offer. It would have cost about the same or less at a private clinic in Canada in many cases. People are free to shop around for the best price, no matter what they're buying. In the Canadian system, if you need a doctor, you'll get one eventually no matter who you are. In the US, a scary percentage of the population will never get to see a doctor. If I had to choose eventually or never, I'll pick eventually. If I had to choose between being poor in Canada or poor in the USA, I'll pick Canada. If I were REALLY rich, I probably wouldn't choose either the US or Canada, I'd be somewhere like the Cayman Islands or Monaco. I'm guessing there are not a lot of billionaires on the miata power list? I'm assuming the audience on this list is not that rich on average? Would you believe Canadians have very strong capitalist values too? Our government is overall quite right wing, certainly at least as right wing as your Democratic party is. There's a way to overhaul your system that will be better for everyone in your country, on average. It doesn't have to mean you'll pay MORE in taxes, or MORE for health care. Quit blaming lobbyists or the legal system or doctors or the boogeyman. Almost every other industrialized nation has figured it out. You guys can get it right someday too. Good luck. ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Alster <mailto:[email protected]> To: 'Matt Goertz' <mailto:[email protected]> ; 'MataPowerList' <mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:44 PM Subject: RE: ABC News' John Stossel Blows Lid off ObamaCare Then why is my state is full of Canadians who come here to “vacation” and go get medical care while they are here?? Larry Alster 91 Miata White Knight 92 Miata Silver Bullet 92 Miata Honey B 04 MSM MX-5 Whooosh 06 WRX STi Subie From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt Goertz Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:33 PM To: 'MataPowerList' Subject: Re: ABC News' John Stossel Blows Lid off ObamaCare Thank God I'm Canadian. Americans are hilarious. In Canada there's zero talk of abandoning universal public coverage for basic medical. We argue about how much more public money should be dumped into health care, but nobody would dream of suggesting we make the system more like the US. We do have private clinics and people debate how far we should go to support that system. And yeah, rarely you have to wait a long time for a procedure depending on the situation. If you're rich, you can always pay for a private procedure, and if you're poor, the government will often send you to the private clinic and cover your costs, including travel in many cases. For the vast majority of problems, you'll get a doctor soon enough. I'm a landlord, and I work a salary job. I make $60,000 per year. I pay LESS taxes than I would pay if I were to live in the US, once you consider that there I would have to pay taxes on my business profits, then separately pay my medical expenses. I paid 23% tax last year. If I made more money than I do from my rental business, I would simply incorporate and pay even LOWER taxes, somewhat less than 20%. I would still have at least as much health coverage as the student or senior on a pension that rents from me. I would also be free to buy additional medical insurance coverage if I wanted to. On top of that, I would STILL be free to pay for individual procedures/diagnostics directly if I were unwilling to wait. It would still be cheaper for me to go that route than to do it the American way. I've lived in both Canada and the US. I've seen both systems first hand. I've seen American cousins members bankrupted and lose their homes simply because they had a child born with Downs Syndrome. The only way they could get ANY medical coverage for their child was to go on welfare. Ironically, the mother is a nurse. What a great system. Count me out. In Canada the government would have paid to have the house renovated to be more accessible and the family would get a free wheel chair accessible van (via tax credits). Why do you think nobody in the rest of the industrial world is trying to model their health systems after the US? ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: Jim <mailto:[email protected]> Wilson Cc: 'MataPowerList' <mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:33 PM Subject: RE: ABC News' John Stossel Blows Lid off ObamaCare in locale's near me, the chamber of commerce's offer blue cross plans to their self employed members. i almost signed up then we got insurance through my wifes job. maybe its not the same everywhere... -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: ABC News' John Stossel Blows Lid off ObamaCare From: "Jim Wilson" < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> Date: Thu, September 24, 2009 1:08 pm To: < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> Cc: 'MataPowerList' < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> I think the point was “create a small business” then join a small business group plan, instead of a “personal” plan. _____ From: [email protected] [ <mailto:[email protected]> mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 3:41 PM Cc: MataPowerList Subject: Re: ABC News' John Stossel Blows Lid off ObamaCare I just checked with the local Chamber of Commerce and they don't know what you're talking about. They've never heard of an insurance program that's available by joining the Chamber On Sep 24, 2009, at 11:23 AM, <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] wrote: yes. if you have the money to buy health coverage to begin with (:you should pay for insurance if you want it), and have no job let say, then just start a small business by opening a checking acct, print some business cards, join your local chamber, and presto you in a group health plan with no way they can refuse you. might even make a few $$ with your new small business too. it's a free country, put your freedom to woirk for you by making smart choices. also, there are other resources for state-subsidized health coverage in many states if you are truly destitute. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Response: ABC News' John Stossel Blows Lid off ObamaCare From: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Date: Thu, September 24, 2009 9:11 am To: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] In a message dated 9/24/2009 9:27:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] writes: if you have a pre-existing condition, you have many options to join a group. (like, gettng a job whic has group health) you can even start a small business and jin through your ocal chamber of commerse. you cannot be denied. Let's see... the economy is sucky, more people are out of work than, well...perhaps EVER, home foreclosure counts have never been higher, only the wealthy have money to invest, and you suggest getting hired by a company that has health coverage or starting one's own business? My friend, don't you think that people are attempting to do this every day? Jerry aka LGO _____ _______________________________________________ Miatapower mailing list <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] <http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower> http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower the preexisting issue is greatly exxagerated. to replace that with bad scial medicine would be a poor bargain. _______________________________________________ Miatapower mailing list <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] <http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower> http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower _____ _______________________________________________ Miatapower mailing list [email protected] <http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower> http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower _____ _______________________________________________ Miatapower mailing list [email protected] http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower
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