Every major city has hospitals for people of all means and no one can
be turned away for serious care, that's the law.
On Sep 24, 2009, at 6:20 PM, Larry Alster wrote:
Where do you live that you think that there are people in the US
will “never get to see a doctor” Have you ever been in an
emergency room and seen all the people using it to get their primary
care since they don’t have a regular doctor?
I also LOVE the attitude that in Canada you will EVENTUALLY get to
see a doctor?? I don’t want to EVENTUALLY get to see a doctor. I
want to see a doctor when I need one.
Larry Alster
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From: Matt Goertz [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:09 PM
To: Larry Alster; 'MataPowerList'
Subject: Re: ABC News' John Stossel Blows Lid off ObamaCare
Because they have extra money. They're paying for that medical
care. They could have stayed in Canada to pay for that higher level
of medical care. We have private clinics in every major city that
specialize in every treatment that they could make a business case
to offer. It would have cost about the same or less at a private
clinic in Canada in many cases. People are free to shop around for
the best price, no matter what they're buying.
In the Canadian system, if you need a doctor, you'll get one
eventually no matter who you are. In the US, a scary percentage of
the population will never get to see a doctor. If I had to choose
eventually or never, I'll pick eventually. If I had to choose
between being poor in Canada or poor in the USA, I'll pick Canada.
If I were REALLY rich, I probably wouldn't choose either the US or
Canada, I'd be somewhere like the Cayman Islands or Monaco. I'm
guessing there are not a lot of billionaires on the miata power
list? I'm assuming the audience on this list is not that rich on
average?
Would you believe Canadians have very strong capitalist values too?
Our government is overall quite right wing, certainly at least as
right wing as your Democratic party is. There's a way to overhaul
your system that will be better for everyone in your country, on
average. It doesn't have to mean you'll pay MORE in taxes, or MORE
for health care. Quit blaming lobbyists or the legal system or
doctors or the boogeyman. Almost every other industrialized nation
has figured it out. You guys can get it right someday too.
Good luck.
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Alster
To: 'Matt Goertz' ; 'MataPowerList'
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:44 PM
Subject: RE: ABC News' John Stossel Blows Lid off ObamaCare
Then why is my state is full of Canadians who come here to
“vacation” and go get medical care while they are here??
Larry Alster
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]
] On Behalf Of Matt Goertz
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:33 PM
To: 'MataPowerList'
Subject: Re: ABC News' John Stossel Blows Lid off ObamaCare
Thank God I'm Canadian. Americans are hilarious.
In Canada there's zero talk of abandoning universal public coverage
for basic medical. We argue about how much more public money should
be dumped into health care, but nobody would dream of suggesting we
make the system more like the US. We do have private clinics and
people debate how far we should go to support that system. And
yeah, rarely you have to wait a long time for a procedure depending
on the situation. If you're rich, you can always pay for a private
procedure, and if you're poor, the government will often send you to
the private clinic and cover your costs, including travel in many
cases. For the vast majority of problems, you'll get a doctor soon
enough.
I'm a landlord, and I work a salary job. I make $60,000 per year.
I pay LESS taxes than I would pay if I were to live in the US, once
you consider that there I would have to pay taxes on my business
profits, then separately pay my medical expenses. I paid 23% tax
last year. If I made more money than I do from my rental business,
I would simply incorporate and pay even LOWER taxes, somewhat less
than 20%. I would still have at least as much health coverage as
the student or senior on a pension that rents from me. I would also
be free to buy additional medical insurance coverage if I wanted
to. On top of that, I would STILL be free to pay for individual
procedures/diagnostics directly if I were unwilling to wait. It
would still be cheaper for me to go that route than to do it the
American way. I've lived in both Canada and the US. I've seen both
systems first hand. I've seen American cousins members bankrupted
and lose their homes simply because they had a child born with Downs
Syndrome. The only way they could get ANY medical coverage for
their child was to go on welfare. Ironically, the mother is a
nurse. What a great system. Count me out. In Canada the
government would have paid to have the house renovated to be more
accessible and the family would get a free wheel chair accessible
van (via tax credits).
Why do you think nobody in the rest of the industrial world is
trying to model their health systems after the US?
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: Jim Wilson
Cc: 'MataPowerList'
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:33 PM
Subject: RE: ABC News' John Stossel Blows Lid off ObamaCare
in locale's near me, the chamber of commerce's offer blue cross
plans to their self employed members. i almost signed up then we
got insurance through my wifes job.
maybe its not the same everywhere...
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: ABC News' John Stossel Blows Lid off ObamaCare
From: "Jim Wilson" <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, September 24, 2009 1:08 pm
To: <[email protected]>
Cc: 'MataPowerList' <[email protected]>
I think the point was “create a small business” then join a small
business group plan, instead of a “personal” plan.
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]
] On Behalf Of [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 3:41 PM
Cc: MataPowerList
Subject: Re: ABC News' John Stossel Blows Lid off ObamaCare
I just checked with the local Chamber of Commerce and they don't
know what you're talking about.
They've never heard of an insurance program that's available by
joining the Chamber
On Sep 24, 2009, at 11:23 AM, [email protected] wrote:
yes. if you have the money to buy health coverage to begin with
(:you should pay for insurance if you want it), and have no job let
say, then just start a small business by opening a checking acct,
print some business cards, join your local chamber, and presto you
in a group health plan with no way they can refuse you. might even
make a few $$ with your new small business too.
it's a free country, put your freedom to woirk for you by making
smart choices.
also, there are other resources for state-subsidized health coverage
in many states if you are truly destitute.
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Response: ABC News' John Stossel Blows Lid off ObamaCare
From: [email protected]
Date: Thu, September 24, 2009 9:11 am
To: [email protected]
In a message dated 9/24/2009 9:27:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected]
writes:
if you have a pre-existing condition, you have many options to join
a group. (like, gettng a job whic has group health) you can even
start a small business and jin through your ocal chamber of
commerse. you cannot be denied.
Let's see... the economy is sucky, more people are out of work than,
well...perhaps EVER, home foreclosure counts have never been higher,
only the wealthy have money to invest, and you suggest getting hired
by a company that has health coverage or starting one's own
business? My friend, don't you think that people are attempting
to do this every day?
Jerry aka LGO
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the preexisting issue is greatly exxagerated. to replace that with
bad scial medicine would be a poor bargain.
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