I began my life as poor white trash.  I got out somehow.

It wasn't easy as everybody I talked to, everything I heard was a rationalization of why we were good and the rest of the world was out to get us. We weren't going to let the "Man" or the "system" beat us. It takes a complete mind set change to even want to change or get out. It was normal and everything else was abnormal.

My rational was that I just wanted to wear a suit, work indoors and not have to get up at dark thirty to go to work.

My life is no Horatio Alger story and probably little different than yours, but the system does work - if you have the desire and are willing to work. Being paid not to work is the complete antithesis of the American Dream and anything our 4fathers intended or probably could even dream of. Having things handed to you stifles the desire to do better for yourself.

I'm also betting that thinking you have the right to healthcare whether you work for it or not would also have appalled them.

There is no doubt that healthcare costs too much. That's the real genesis of the whole issue, not that one class is stepping on another class. Why is it that so often our politicians ignore the root causes and look just at the way that will give the best press?


On Sep 25, 2009, at 11:25 AM, Casey Wheeler wrote:

Yes poor people chose to be poor. Been there done growing up.
Fat people choose to be fat. 90%+ of obese people are lazy period. Some do have thyroid, depression, diabetic, etc. But most our lazy. I have an aunt that is obese and work with obese people daily. Lazy. And some abused people stay in bad relationships and continue to put themselves in an abusive situation. My mother was one of those for a couple years. She then woke up and took my little brother and I and left. My mother did it, anyone else being abused can as well.

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On Sep 25, 2009, at 11:25 AM, Russ <[email protected]> wrote:

OMG! People who are poor choose to be poor or are lazy?! LOL
So people who are obese choose to be obese?

I agree that in some cases these can be true, but certainly not universally!

Next thing we'll hear is that abused women & children choose to be.

Sigh.

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On Sep 25, 2009, at 5:59 AM, Casey Wheeler wrote:

Jim is absolutly correct and probably makes the point better than I did. Most people have health conditions due to their own choices. Furthermore, people without ins. Don't have ins. by their own doing. The people that "need" social healthcare are the people who are most apathetic. We all have the freedom and choice to take this path or another. If people make better choices, life is better/easier. Our society has become so.... So lazy, pathetic, apathtic... Something, I can't find the right description... Take some personal responsibility and handle your business.

Casey

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On Sep 25, 2009, at 8:18 AM, [email protected] wrote:

I decided I must weigh in on this one after all. I do work at the largest hospital in my immediate area, which just happens to be the only for profit hospital in southern Arizona. My observations are first hand, not something I've seen on TV or read about.

I don't honestly believe we have a 'healthcare' crisis. I believe that we do have a 'wellness' crisis. More accurately, a lack of wellness crisis. The vast majority of the patients I see in the healthcare system are sick due to their own lifestyle choices. We have an entire generation of citizens who think that they are owed everything: police protection, fire protection, healthcare, etc. Personal responsibility is way undervalued by our current culture.

Numerous hospitalizations could be avoided entirely by simply getting an annual physical exam where the physician has the opportunity to catch the signals of a possible or impending issue and take preemptive measures.

'You are what you eat' is a manta of any good cardiac rehab program. However, if adopted as a normal part of one's life, it could have been what keep you out of cardiac care in the first place.

I don't think I need to point out the shift to a sedentary lifestyle that the vast majority of people have adopted.

Practicing wellness is hard work. Most people would much prefer to ignore good lifestyle choices and then push the responsibility for their well being off onto someone else.

Jim in Tucson






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