Very well said. Bush-style Republicans sicken me with their attempts at growing the government into one that inserts itself into things no government has any business bothering with. Yes, marriage is a sacrament. I trust a priest to tell me about that more than a Rhodes Scholar like Clinton, or a Yale grad like Bush.
Insurance companies convening "death panels" to figure out how to deny coverage puts people at risk. This is where I see a need for government meddling. Is this horse dead yet? Bret On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Dan Scolnick <[email protected]> wrote: > Fiscal Conservative i said. I believe we should pay for what we use. > > Social LIberal - CIVIL libertarian. Individuals should be able to do what > they want so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else or the environment. > > Strict Constructionist - in the words of the famous strict constructionist > Thurgood Marshall - "NO means NO!" > > george bush said marriage is a sacrament, I agree. the first > amendment (which is part of the constitution regardless of what neo-cons > belive) says that Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of > religion. > > since marriage is a sacrament and therefore an establishment of religion, > the government has no business meddling in marriage at all. > > if "married" couples want legal benefits and tax breaks, let 'em all > register as domestic partners. Domestic partners can be any combination or > number of people and pets making a household together. why would anyone > want to deny a "household" benefits currently available under "marriage" to > anyone? > > dan > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Casey Wheeler [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2009 4:08 PM > > *To:* Dan Scolnick > *Cc:* Mark Phillips; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: NMC - Healthcare Crisis Debate > > You cannot be a conservative and sociL liberal. Those are compatible. > John McCain attempt that last, I think he called it compassionate > conservatism. It's bs. The very nature of conservatism goes agaisnt social > policy n > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 25, 2009, at 2:18 PM, "Dan Scolnick" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > i am a fiscal conservative, a social liberal and an original > constructionist. > > however those claiming and wearing the mantel of conservatives, liberals > and original constructionists are usually not. > > the constitution was drafted as a living document. Because it WAS silent > on things does not mean it must always be. > > because it counted a black man as less than a whole man doesn't mean it > must always be so. > > dan > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Casey Wheeler [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2009 2:11 PM > *To:* Dan Scolnick > *Cc:* Mark Phillips; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: NMC - Healthcare Crisis Debate > > Btw, I don't really understand the neo-con definition... I am a > conservative and a originalist... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 25, 2009, at 2:00 PM, "Dan Scolnick" < <[email protected]> > [email protected]> wrote: > > very good neo-con tactic, try to change the focus of the argument, well > here goes. > > > i don't hate highly paid people, i am one. > > along with that high pay goes fiduciary responsibility. They clearly did > NOT practice fiduciary responsibility and therefore should NOT be highly > paid and should NOT have a job. > > I resent highly paid people that do their job so poorly that their banks go > out of business, and then my tax dollars have to bail them out, and they > continue to be highly paid. > > the are incompetant and should be out of jobs, and out of money. the got > paid for a service they did not deliver, and now we taxpayers have to make > good on it. > > if the fair market is good for one side, let it be good for the other. > > dan > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Casey Wheeler [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2009 1:13 PM > *To:* Dan Scolnick > *Cc:* Mark Phillips; < <[email protected]> > [email protected]>; < <[email protected]>[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: NMC - Healthcare Crisis Debate > > Why do you HATE HIGHLY PAID PEOPLE? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 25, 2009, at 12:58 PM, "Dan Scolnick" < > <[email protected]><[email protected]> > [email protected]> wrote: > > oh pullleeze! > > had the HIGH PAID bankers stuck to their fiduciary responsibilities AND > DONE THEIR JOBS, > > the banks would not have failed, regardless of the impetus the government > put on them. > > the government gave them incentive, the incentive was GREED. it was GREED > for the borrowers, it was GREED for the lenders. > > let's see what the outcome is. > > The HIGHLY paid bankers, who were the only ones with fiduciary > responsibility, got to keep all the money they made. > The borrowers got to live in a nice house for a little while, and now > they're out. > We the taxpayers put in all the money, > > and NOW > > the HIGHLY paid bankers are buying the houses at foreclosure to make their > next killing on the same stuff. > AND they get continued be paid far in excess of their worth to the economy. > in fact the worst offenders are the highest paid. > > Free markets seem to only count when the oligarchy is making their money. > > dan > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* <[email protected]><[email protected]> > [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Casey Wheeler > *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2009 12:53 PM > *To:* Mark Phillips > *Cc:* < <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > [email protected]>; < <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > [email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: NMC - Healthcare Crisis Debate > > No I feel that people should pay attention to things. The banks for > instance.... Had the government not forced them to lend to so risky people, > some banks would not have failed. Some would have, sure. But that's a free > market. Things need to fail. It creates new oppurtunities. > Artificial limits and regulation put on most markets slow growth and hurt > competition. Adam smith was a smart man. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 25, 2009, at 12:42 PM, "Mark Phillips" > <<[email protected]><[email protected]><[email protected]> > [email protected]> wrote: > > “Free market always creates the best policy”, I disagree. The current > economic climate is a testament to that. Industries need regulation or they > will continue out of control until someone gets hurt. After that, they will > continue until they get hurt or are stopped. The really bad ones continue > regardless. Think indestructible teenager with a learner’s permit, a > self-centered attitude and a high-powered Miata (I finally worked some list > related content in J). > > > _______________________________________________ > Miatapower mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower > >
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