And when industries are caught in this nexus maybe we HAVE to bail them out. the auto industry NEEDS credit to sell cars. The banks stopped credit dead in it's tracks. The automakers got caught in a nasty storm that wasn't of their making. congress did it to 'em, and i put nancy pelosi and barney frank at the front of the list of those that have to go. But should we send a viable industry abroad because the banks or congress screwed up? even more important. WE NEED heavy manufacturing in this country as a matter of DEFENSE. what are we going to do if we have to produce weapons of war to continue our way of life? buy it from the koreans, japanese, chinese, germans? Does anyone with a 50 year or more view of world history think depending on one or all of those nations to manufacture our weapons of mass destruction (and the US is pretty much the only country in the world that has and uses them regularly as a matter of policy) think that's a good idea? we need the heavy industry here. dan
________________________________ From: Casey Wheeler [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 2:06 PM To: Dan Scolnick Cc: Mark Phillips; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Subject: Re: NMC - Healthcare Crisis Debate Sweet, we agree. These guys did fail to do the job they were employed to do and should have lost their jobs. And most importantly, tax dollars should not bail out anyone or any industry. Period. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 25, 2009, at 2:00 PM, "Dan Scolnick" <[email protected]> wrote: very good neo-con tactic, try to change the focus of the argument, well here goes. i don't hate highly paid people, i am one. along with that high pay goes fiduciary responsibility. They clearly did NOT practice fiduciary responsibility and therefore should NOT be highly paid and should NOT have a job. I resent highly paid people that do their job so poorly that their banks go out of business, and then my tax dollars have to bail them out, and they continue to be highly paid. the are incompetant and should be out of jobs, and out of money. the got paid for a service they did not deliver, and now we taxpayers have to make good on it. if the fair market is good for one side, let it be good for the other. dan ________________________________ From: Casey Wheeler [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 1:13 PM To: Dan Scolnick Cc: Mark Phillips; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Subject: Re: NMC - Healthcare Crisis Debate Why do you HATE HIGHLY PAID PEOPLE? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 25, 2009, at 12:58 PM, "Dan Scolnick" < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> wrote: oh pullleeze! had the HIGH PAID bankers stuck to their fiduciary responsibilities AND DONE THEIR JOBS, the banks would not have failed, regardless of the impetus the government put on them. the government gave them incentive, the incentive was GREED. it was GREED for the borrowers, it was GREED for the lenders. let's see what the outcome is. The HIGHLY paid bankers, who were the only ones with fiduciary responsibility, got to keep all the money they made. The borrowers got to live in a nice house for a little while, and now they're out. We the taxpayers put in all the money, and NOW the HIGHLY paid bankers are buying the houses at foreclosure to make their next killing on the same stuff. AND they get continued be paid far in excess of their worth to the economy. in fact the worst offenders are the highest paid. Free markets seem to only count when the oligarchy is making their money. dan ________________________________ From: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Casey Wheeler Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 12:53 PM To: Mark Phillips Cc: < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]>; < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> Subject: Re: NMC - Healthcare Crisis Debate No I feel that people should pay attention to things. The banks for instance.... Had the government not forced them to lend to so risky people, some banks would not have failed. Some would have, sure. But that's a free market. Things need to fail. It creates new oppurtunities. Artificial limits and regulation put on most markets slow growth and hurt competition. Adam smith was a smart man. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 25, 2009, at 12:42 PM, "Mark Phillips" < <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> wrote: "Free market always creates the best policy", I disagree. The current economic climate is a testament to that. Industries need regulation or they will continue out of control until someone gets hurt. After that, they will continue until they get hurt or are stopped. The really bad ones continue regardless. Think indestructible teenager with a learner's permit, a self-centered attitude and a high-powered Miata (I finally worked some list related content in :-)). Mark ________________________________ From: <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Casey Wheeler Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 12:19 PM To: Bret Dodson Cc: <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]; <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Subject: Re: NMC - Healthcare Crisis Debate I am confident in my views, my experince and research prove it to be correct. But, I don't think the syste is without issues that need to be resolved. You should not be able to be dropped once you contract a disease. Docotrs should be able to prescrib exactly what the want for a patient. This experimental stuff is BS I come across in my job as well, and as you stated, it occurs within standard procedural operations. These as well as the INS across state lines, tort reform etc etc would make a huge difference in not only peoples satisfaction with the business, as well as bring the cost down. Free market always creates the best policy. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 25, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Bret Dodso
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