At 2:47 AM -0400 17/8/04, Lewis Burgess wrote:
>
>So does everyone agree, as Dennis pointed out, that increasing the
>capacity of Aquair-like generator is very costly and that this is the
>main reason why it is not used widely for power generation for rural
>communities? Does this also apply to the Garman and Darrieus turbines?

It is nonsense to say that the cost of permanent magnet alternators 
increases exponentially with size.  In fact if you double the number 
of magnets and double the number of coils then you can get 8 times as 
much power at the same rpm, and with the same efficiency.

Larger turbines tend to have lower rpm and this offsets the 
advantages, but permanent magnet technology would still be quite 
viable if you want DC output.  However, larger systems are usually AC 
based and would tend to use gearboxes and induction motor or 
synchronous alternator generation.  the friction in the gearbox and 
the cost and maintenance issues are less significant on larger 
systems.
>
>Finally, given the information above, is it feasible, given today's
>technology, to design a free-flow or submersible turbine that can
>generate 25kW and still be small enough to fit the site specification
>described above? I still have a glimmer of hope.

I could not follow the site spec. but you have to realise that the 
site is what governs the available power and I have a feeling that 
the site is too small and the power just is not there.  There 
certainly are 30 kW stream turbines.  For example the underwater 
electric kite.  I was given this data 3 years ago:


Based on our experience with the kinetic turbines, our 
pre-commercial  single 10 ft diameter RIVER turbine is producing:

                       Water velocity, Vo=     Maximum Power, kW 
Maximum Thrust, lbs

     4 knots / ~ 2 m/sec        33.5 kW  7,622.9 lbs.
4.25 knots / ~ 2.125 m/sec      40.1 kW 8,605.6 lbs
4.5 knots / ~ 2.25 m/sec        47.6 kW 9647.8 lbs
4.75 knots / ~ 2.375 m/sec      56.0 kW 10,749.5 lbs
5 knots / ~ 2.5 m/sec   65.4 kW 11,910.8 lbs



Our new Tidal design has an output approximately  8-10 % lower 
because of the efficiency of the bi-directional design.

http://uekus.com/



-- 
Hugh

Scoraig Wind Electric
http://www.scoraigwind.co.uk/

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