The argument that the University is not a business is a bit silly when you look as it currently stands. The University is a business, they sell education, they are not giving it away. The reason the University is recruiting so many out state students is financial and so is raising tuition. The University does countless things for financial reason. The number of IT support staff has been decreasing and the only way to keep up with the support demands is to move to standardized tools and systems. It really doesn't matter if you use a e-mail client for whatever reason if you are doing self support, the burden falls on the person making the choice. But when you have people choosing to use thunderbird/Eudora/Outlook/Applemail and then come crying for help when the client goes walkabout you are affecting a lot more than yourself. I get that some people like having a client because it can do everything but scratch your back and juggle five e-mail accounts while doing it. Why do you need multiple accounts, really the only e-mail account the University should concern itself with it the ones ending in berkeley.edu, Want to use something else then have at it but don't expect support. The argument for supporting 4 or more e-mail clients is equally just as silly... in my opinion.
Guy Vinson Computer Support and Consulting 510-842-7199 On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Jon Forrest <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 1/29/2015 2:04 PM, Vivian Sophia wrote: > > Using other clients instead of the web interface results in more extra > > IT time than what it takes for the original setup. > > In the administrative areas of the University I'd agree. But, > it's important to remember that UC Berkeley is a university - not an > insurance company. There needs to be room for a massive amount > of variability and experimentation for students and researchers > who choose to move away from the straight and narrow. > > > I have also spent huge amounts of time moving mail for people. Ugh. > > With IMAP there's no need to move email. That's the whole point of IMAP. > > > I get that people have business reasons, sometimes, for using fat mail > > clients. I also see people use them for reasons like unwillingness to > > learn a new way of doing things, without regard to the extra cost to the > > University. > > If it were only this simple ... As I, and others, have said, sometimes > it's a question of not wanting to give up features that we have grown > accustomed to that we use daily. For example, show me how to sort my > Gmail by sender, subject, or any of the other columns that Gmail shows > (other than date, which, as far as I know, is the only possibility). > > Trying to convince a typical desktop user to move from one program > to another, giving up important features simply to save the University > money, is a hard argument to make. > > Cordially, > Jon Forrest > UCB (ret.) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The following was automatically added to this message by the list server: > > To learn more about Micronet, including how to subscribe to or unsubscribe > from its mailing list and how to find out about upcoming meetings, please > visit the Micronet Web site: > > http://micronet.berkeley.edu > > Messages you send to this mailing list are public and world-viewable, and > the list's archives can be browsed and searched on the Internet. This > means these messages can be viewed by (among others) your bosses, > prospective employers, and people who have known you in the past. >
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