Beth... my world now consists of being happily retired. But I thought the University was on track to centralize services such as IT and as a result bring costs down and the quality up (Please hold your laughter) But I guess that is as likely to happen as Cal is to get a winning football team with good grades. I think there are just too many "one offs" and too many chefs stirring the pot, trying to build their own little empires in IT and not enough will to make changes system wide. When it costs more to use a central service than to take it outside you have a problem...but I am off on a tangent.
Regards Guy Guy Vinson Computer Support and Consulting 510-842-7199 On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:02 AM, David Schwartz <[email protected]> wrote: > On Jan 28, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Guy D. VINSON <[email protected]> wrote > (in a slightly different order): > > > > ...this hanging on to apple mail, Outlook, and even still some users on > Eudora is just plain silly. I have heard all the arguments about needing > the mail client but none of them seem to be more important than the > benefits of simplification and standardization. > > Certainly there is little case to be made for attempting to continue using > a software application that ended development 9 years ago (no matter how > unmatched its interface). Or a multifunction application that doesn’t > support open standards for anything other than IMAP. > > But in the case of Mail, Apple is actively developing a native application > that supports Gmail’s sudo IMAP label scheme, and in my experience does a > reasonably good job of it (even with the nightmare of Yosemite’s new > features). And OS X's unified support for CarDAV and CalDAV provides a > quality alternative or adjunct to Google’s web based tools. > > > > > Because someone prefers the features of a mail client over the web > interface that should not over ride the needs of the institution to make > things work well at as cheap a price as possible. > > Couching the discussion as one of simple preference or lowest possible > price without taking worker productivity into account is short sighted. If > a tool saves a worker 30 minutes a day, do we refuse to provide that tool > because it costs management a one time 15 minute setup penalty? > > I’ve not seen any of the problems Beth reports in her initial post, and I > agree with Ian (as I always do) that the user’s Keychain should be the > first place to look. In my experience, once configured it just continues to > work. > > But it doesn’t matter if the user is interacting with messages in Google’s > basket using HTML or using IMAP; the messages are still stored in Oregon* > and not locally (thanks to user training and documentation?). We now have > unlimited storage space with our service provider; converting or rescuing > should be a thing of the past. > > > > -david > > > * http://www.google.com/about/datacenters/inside/locations/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The following was automatically added to this message by the list server: > > To learn more about Micronet, including how to subscribe to or unsubscribe > from its mailing list and how to find out about upcoming meetings, please > visit the Micronet Web site: > > http://micronet.berkeley.edu > > Messages you send to this mailing list are public and world-viewable, and > the list's archives can be browsed and searched on the Internet. This > means these messages can be viewed by (among others) your bosses, > prospective employers, and people who have known you in the past. >
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