For liability I mean the responsibility for making sure that the content
that is published is what the enterprise (University in my case) wants and
in the terms that they want it in...I don't like being in the position of
having to worry about how this constituency or that is going to interpret
what they find on the web, I don't edit I just work on structural concepts
and keep the framework running...I spend most of my time having to answer
to content producers who can barely turn on the computer but want their
info to change almost daily...and for me to know from the prevailing winds
what those changes should be...my goal is to turn most of the content over
to them but still have a system where someone who is in a position of
responsibility can read and approve the content as it goes up...that way
the content manufacturers can type their little stories, the editors can
edit and approve and I can....play Myst! Or something like that...but not
baby-sit...I do think I will be able to do this with midgard...I was just
pointing out the alternative models, it has to be beyond simple for it to
work.....It is my impression that once an article is written it appears in
the editor's space for them to approve and send on or send
back...MediaSurface seems to have an allowance for versions so that the
process of writing and revision has a history with the earlier versions
still being available...my editors get all happy and stuff when they hear
about things like that
In terms of servers they aren't talking about running just a database they
want it on a separate box...same for webserver and application
server...three boxes...nice big black ones at that...don't get me wrong,
they are nice people and it seems to be a nice product...it just exists in
a different space than I do...just like people who own Ferraris don't
actually live in the same world as I do...they just intersect my space
sometimes...
from their website...
Mediasurface Limited is an Internet software application company founded to
deliver world-class solutions for managing and delivering Web-based
content. Our flagship product, Mediasurface? 2.0, is a fully-integrated
suite of modules that operates on a multi-server architecture and provides
a solid infrastructure for the management and deployment of Web content.
Mediasurface 2.0 provides high volume serving and high user support,
allowing enterprises to focus on the business challenges of network-centric
communication and commerce, rather than the technological challenges of
managing data over disparate network components.
.....this also...for Emile...and if you ask Martijn questions don't quote
me I just go
7th December 1999 - Mediasurface Limited today announced the opening of
operations spanning Belgium, Holland and Luxembourg, further strengthening
the company's position as Europe's leading content technologies vendor.
Martijn Burger appointed as territory manager.
-----Original Message-----
From: Emile Heyns [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 9:14 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [midgard] Comparing Midgard with commercial products
Ken Pooley wrote:
>
> I think what makes these products interesting from my point of view is
that
> I can turn all of the content over to people I wouldn't trust in my
> webserver....which as I understand it the extended permissions in
> MidGard2.0 will let me do more of...
Midgard 1.2.X has a decent level of access control. The 2.0 access
control
makes it a little (OK, a lot) more fine grained: read permissions (which
1.2 lacks), separate permissions for changing, locking and approving
articles, variable access control (set AC for 'creator' or 'self',
whoever
that may be for the specific object). The new ACL concept will make it
easy to add new types of ACLs.
> but also turn the responsibility for
> content approval and LIABILITY over to the editors who are used to making
> that call...I think there are ways to do it with midgard now but it is
not
> at an idiot proof level...
Can you elaborate on what you mean with liability in this context (and
how
other tools solve it)?
Midgard has locking & approval functionality built-in, but the PHP
level coding has to use that functionality. You can approve an article
from the admin site, but the _list_ functions will fetch all
articles, approved or not. The site logic has to filter out non-approved
articles if you want only approved articles to show up.
> editors can read but that doesn't make them
> smart...I still go back to my fave from an interface usability stand
point
> ( at least in the demos I have seen....) MediaSurface, their users and
> groups admin is pretty nice...
I'm not familiar with MediaSurface, but the admin site is just a Midgard
application. You can change it to look like MediaServer, or even build a
second admin site to offer this look & feel.
> the down side is that they want you to run a
> webserver, an application server and a DB server..
To be fair: Midgard requires just a little less, having the
appserver built into the webserver. You still need a database.
> oh and it should be
> Oracle, though they could go with what ever that microsoft big iron
> DB...and if that weren't enough the cost is not trivial...we figured
> $250,000 minimum by the time we bought the servers they wanted...
Ah, they're targeting the SOHO market segment. :/
> for someone who doesn't even get his own line item in the budget that is
pretty
> tough change to scrounge from the couch........
*grin*
I've been surfing around in search of application servers, and noticed
that most in
the OSS realm target application developers, not site developers. AAMOF,
the only
decent OSS content management systems I've found are Midgard and Zope.
Am I missing something?
Bye,
Emile
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