Bob,
 
While I was not asking you directly, I appreciate the response.
 
*       Increase safety by separating ATC safety regulation (FAA) from ATC 
service provision (Air Traffic Organization). Self-regulation is a conflict of 
interest; ICAO called for this kind of organizational separation in 2001 and 
most countries have done this.
 
While it may be a conflict of interest, how does privatization directly 
“Increase safety by separating ATC safety regulation (FAA) from ATC service 
provision (Air Traffic Organization)” and by how much (e.g. 10%, 20%, etc.).
 
*       Properly finance and rebuild a capital-investment-starved system with 
ancient technology and aging, sometimes-decrepit facilities.
 
While I agree, does anyone have a breakdown of the age of the US ATC systems, 
system by system? Exactly which are “decrepit”? Many systems have been replaced 
in the last 20 years (ERAM, STARS, etc.). Exactly which systems need to be 
replaced first, and in what order and timetable?
 
*       Restore professional staffing, such as systems engineers, to free the 
Air Traffic Organization from dependence on aerospace contractors.
 
I agree.
 
*       Increase productivity, as Nav Canada has done.
 
Productivity of what, and by how much? How is Nav Canada’s productivity 
measured and how is higher than FAA’s?
 
I believe that a new ATC system needs much more specific goals. FAA has been 
told to work harder, do better and spend more for decades, without success. In 
what way does Privatization change this?
 
Before we conclude that Privatization is better for FAA, we need many more 
answers.
 
Thanks,
Michael
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From: bob.poole--- via Mifnet <mifnet@lists.mifnet.com> 
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2025 09:15
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Subject: [Mifnet 🛰 72843] Re: Here's my ATC story
 
My goals for ATC “corporatization” in one form or another are to:
*       Increase safety by separating ATC safety regulation (FAA) from ATC 
service provision (Air Traffic Organization). Self-regulation is a conflict of 
interest; ICAO called for this kind of organizational separation in 2001 and 
most countries have done this.
*       Properly finance and rebuild a capital-investment-starved system with 
ancient technology and aging, sometimes-decrepit facilities.
*       Restore professional staffing, such as systems engineers, to free the 
Air Traffic Organization from dependence on aerospace contractors.
*       Increase productivity, as Nav Canada has done.
Those goals are absent in the “brand new air traffic system” proposal, which 
would subsidize a poorly performing status quo. Nav Canada demonstrates all 
four of these improvements, as the Forbes article explains.
 
Bob Poole
 
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Cc: athgr...@baiada.com <mailto:athgr...@baiada.com> 
Subject: [Mifnet 🛰 72841] Re: Here's my ATC story
 
 
Before the US embarks on ATC Privatization, we should build a detailed plan and 
identify the program goals, which I have yet to see. So far, all I hear about 
is throwing more money at FAA to buy new equipment.
 
If ATC Privatization is meant to lower FAA’s costs, this is an admirable goal, 
but what is the target reduction and how is planned to be achieved?
 
If ATC Privatization is meant to increase ATC efficiency, by how much and what 
does increasing ATC efficiency mean?
 
If ATC Privatization is meant to reduce airline delays, it will never happen 
since ATC is not the root cause of airline delays. 
 
Does Nav Canada, NATS or Eurocontrol have less delays than the US (at airports 
with comparable traffic density)? In my 40 years of flying, I did not notice 
any appreciably difference in the ATC function or service anywhere in the world.
 
Finally, as long as the airlines sit on the sidelines as cheerleaders instead 
of participants/leaders, while refusing to define how they want to fly their 
aircraft, little will change.
 
Michael
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Subject: [Mifnet 🛰 72840] FW: Here's my ATC story
 
Here is an article on ATC reform just out from Forbes:
 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeremybogaisky/2025/06/26/why-the-us-should-copy-canada-to-fix-its-broken-air-traffic-control-system/
 
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