| Reading through ‘the only plan we presently have’, listening to FAA/DOT describe it, there is no intent to utilize realtime, day-of-flight, airline resource status input, nor system-optimize or sequence flows to airlines’ optima.
Instead, BNATCS proposes to manipulate airlines’ presumably optimally-designed network schedules ‘45 days’ in advance of flight.
This leaves ATC where it is today, dealing with the random day-of-flight 4D point overloads that result, by issuing vectors, reroutes and delays, all of which add flying time and costs, which airlines then recycle back into future schedule plans. A repeating cycle of capital destruction.
Think of it this way:
— Airlines design optimal schedules, staff and plan facilities use, and package these for publication like a new deck of cards, sorted by suit and value. The ideal world.
— Randomness prevails in the NAS, cards are unboxed and thrown on the floor, to be picked up by ATC first come, first served. The real world. Enroute, nearing and in the terminal area.
— Defects in the form of unmanaged congestion grow, and are only ‘fixed’ by ATC late in the game, resulting in delays which propagate throughout the NAS, throughout the operating day. Also the real world.
The alternative is for airlines to prevent grown defects early and continuously, re-sorting the cards system-optimally for delivery to ATC, in real-time, on day-of-flight, enroute, from top of cruise, making small, legal, pilots-as-change agents achievable changes to arrival times. Let ATC broker the airline system optima to a global system optimum.
Prevent day-of-flight defects early, don’t defer them until too late to avoid most ATC imposed ‘fixes’ (delays).
None of that is in the BNATCS. All of that is commercially available on the shelf. All of that is known to FAA.
- Bob Mann
Office contact: +1-516-944-0900 Re: “BNATCS addresses none of this”
How do you know? How much do you really know about what BNATCS has in store for airspace optimization other than it is not YOUR plan? Are you really saying your plan is the ONLY plan that could possibly be successful and you will not even wait to give BNATCS a chance?
It’s not even built yet. Or rolled out. It’s being tested and going through the full vetting process by the competing companies.
Why would you declare something a failure before you know anything about it and have not even seen it in action yet? Why not wait until passing judgment?
What is the fixation on “my plan or no plan?” Where does that come from? Why is that wise?
How about we all just wait and see what is possible in the coming months and years? How about we give it a chance? It’s the only chance we presently have.
-Doug Church
Does Mr. Baiada ever move on?
keady replies:
Should the Wright Brothers have moved on?
Should Sikorsky have moved on?
Should Goddard have moved on?
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Bob, Why would I move on when the task is not complete and the airline’s ”day of” operation is still dismal? - Airlines have delivered 30% of their customers late (A0) for the last 50 years and are happy with this result moving into the future.
- Individual large airlines lose $5 Billion annually because of their willingness to ignore their delay problem.
- Airlines completely and unnecessarily abdicate control over the movement of their aircraft to ATC.
- ATC has spent $100s of Billions over the last 50 years trying to solve airline delays - and failed.
- Now FAA wants to spend $31.5 Billion, which while helping with equipment failures, will do nothing to solve the root problem causing most delays.
- Airline delays are just that - airline delays.
Conversely, my proposed solution has been independently validated in actual airline operations by FAA, Embry-Riddle University, GE Aviation, Delta Air Lines, Georgia Tech and others at some of the world’s busiest airports, including Atlanta, Minneapolis, Detroit, Charlotte and Dubai (GreenLandings® Benefit Summary). Next, with what part of my statements do you disagree? What have I said that is inaccurate? Have you taken the time to read even one of my papers? If so, please point to my mistake. Finally, you continually criticize my posts but have offered no solution of your own, nor, it seems, have you taken the time to even understand what I propose. Does Mr. Baiada ever move on? Bob Distler News Flash - Fuel is not the airlines largest controllable cost item.
While fuel is expensive ($3.878/gal, IATA 2026-05-13), and a very large line-item on an airline's balance sheet, there is a controllable airline cost that is 4 times larger.
I am talking about lost aircraft productivity, which has been institutionalized into the airline's "day of" operation though the continual addition of scheduled flight/gate time buffers.
Unfortunately, this is not a visible line-item cost on the airline's balance sheet, so there is minimal focus on this problem, especially since airlines incorrectly assume that this is an ATC problem.
Airlines accept this as the cost of doing business - it's NOT.
Airlines could internally cut their scheduled flight/gate time buffers by 50% within just a few years. The upside, along with freeing up a significant amount of aircraft productivity, is that this also reduces the airline's delays and fuel costs.
ATC can't do this, FAA/NATS/Eurocontrol can't do this, only each individual airline has the internal ability to dramatically improve their "day of" production line.
Airlines could. Airlines should. Airlines don't.
Airline Delays - Random Point Overloads White Paper (AGIFORS, 2026-04-14) - https://lnkd.in/gzXJMnS8
Who Controls the Movement of the Aircraft? (Leeham News, 2026-03-31) - https://lnkd.in/ghuXRbCy
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