Don't use the TZT forum.. use the mailing list! http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/tranzeo_wifi_users or http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/tranzeo_wimax_users
If you hurry, you can talk smack about Damian before he gets there! ryan On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Damian Wallace <[email protected]>wrote: > It's an old argument, and this is the wrong place, so before Butch pulls > out the ban hammer, I say hit me on the TZT forum. But the original > thread of this email is why wikis and forums don't work for support. > > The list could have gone around for a while about how these cards work. > But the fact is, it took someone at Zcomax to confirm they work. I, > from a manufacturer, explained why 5 MHz didn't work between two other > vendors. Be nice if you could have called the support team at MT or > Star-OS, but that isn't their business model. Our support is never > perfect either, but I always want people to able to talk to a human > about their problem. > > <personal rant> > People have a natural tendency to find patterns in things. He had that > problem, it's sort of like my problem, this must be the solution. The > difference between a call center operator and true tech support is > someone who knows what really happens in the product, what should happen > when you click that button, and why what is happening is happening. > That takes years of investment into employees to have that level of > knowledge. > > It's like when your customer calls you and says the internet is down, > they can't get to their yahoo. Call display says SKYPE OUT. Oh, the > DNS server isn't working again. You put those pieces together with your > knowledge. > > Wikis are fine for how-to's, especial with something as complex as MT. > But when you are on a tower with a bad config, you need help now, in > fact, 5 minutes ago. > > Forums nearly always turn into flame wars. > > And of course there is the issue of manufacturer forums where you ask > for support and your post gets deleted. > > When I want support, I want to talk to the people who know. I paid good > money for the product, they should be there to answer my call, or email, > or chat. <Colbert mode on> Are you listening Apple? <Colbert mope off> > > </personal rant> > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: April-23-10 4:38 PM > To: Mikrotik discussions > Subject: Re: [Mikrotik] Was 5 Mhz, now WPA TKIP > > I disagree with that. > > On 4/23/10, Damian Wallace <[email protected]> wrote: > > Wiki's and forums are for companies too cheap to have real tech > support > > :-( > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stuart > Pierce > > Sent: April-23-10 6:03 AM > > To: Mikrotik discussions > > Subject: Re: [Mikrotik] Was 5 Mhz, now WPA TKIP > > > > No doubt, I miss the Tranzeo list on Part-15.org as well. No offense > > meant to Tranzeo, but their wiki or whatever they have is very sad. > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > > From: Chris Gotstein <[email protected]> > > Reply-To: Mikrotik discussions <[email protected]> > > Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:27:12 -0500 > > > >>Is the list active? I'm pretty sure i'm subscribed to it. I miss the > >>tranzeo list from Part-15. > >> > >>---- ---- ---- ---- > >>Chris Gotstein, Sr Network Engineer, UP Logon/Computer Connection UP > >>http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | [email protected] > >> > >>On 4/21/2010 2:25 PM, D. Ryan Spott wrote: > >>> There are new Tranzeo lists to complain on at wispa. > >>> > >>> ;P > >>> > >>> ryan > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:42 AM, "Damian Wallace" > <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Point taken. We are working on it. > >>>> > >>>> Back to MT issues. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: [email protected] > >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris > >>>> Gotstein > >>>> Sent: April-21-10 11:16 AM > >>>> To: Mikrotik discussions > >>>> Subject: Re: [Mikrotik] [Spam Bayesian - ] - Re: Mikrotik/StarOS > >>>> 10mhz/5mhz channel compatibility - Bayesian Filter detected spam > >>>> > >>>> Running MT APs with XR2 cards. No problems connecting Tranzeo > > CPQ/SL2 > >>>> or UBNT radios when using a 10mhz channel. > >>>> > >>>> I do agree on how well we like our Tranzeo radios. I just wish > they > >>>> could come down on the price of the CPQ-19f radio. We can get a > >>>> bullet2HP w/ 19db panel for a lot less. The price on the > >>>> CPQ-15f/SL2-15f is perfect and competitive with a Bullet2 w/ 16db > > panel. > >>>> > >>>> ---- ---- ---- ---- > >>>> Chris Gotstein, Sr Network Engineer, UP Logon/Computer Connection > UP > >>>> http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | [email protected] > >>>> > >>>> On 4/21/2010 12:39 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > >>>>> Does Tranzeo work with Ubnt or MT or StarOS in 5 or 10 mhz > > channels? > >>>>> > >>>>> I guess 2.4 and 5ghz are different compatibility wise as it's come > > to > >>>> light > >>>>> that StarOS and MT work together in 5ghz but not 2.4. > >>>>> > >>>>> Josh Luthman > >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 > >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 > >>>>> 1100 Wayne St > >>>>> Suite 1337 > >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 > >>>>> > >>>>> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to > >>>> continue > >>>>> that counts." > >>>>> --- Winston Churchill > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Robert Andrews > >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Damian, > >>>>> Thank you for making this public. We know that MT and > >>>> Valemount > >>>>> have > >>>>> no love lost, and thanks to both Tranzeo and UBNT for working with > >>>> both > >>>>> of them. Your competitive spirit made this business thrive > > against > >>>>> proprietary interests... We wish that StarOS and MT would have > >>>>> cooperated in this to make it so we didn't have to choose one or > > the > >>>>> other. We would have both in our network for each of their > > particular > >>>>> advantages if they had.... Our testing showed ST did better on > >>>>> customer throughput and MT did better as real routers... > >>>>> > >>>>> Tranzeo and UBNT did best as customer equipment with Tranzeo doing > >>>>> better in marginal conditions and UBNT doing better in price... > > So > >>>> we > >>>>> have both. > >>>>> > >>>>> Best, > >>>>> Robert > >>>>> > >>>>> On 04/21/2010 10:22 AM, Damian Wallace wrote: > >>>>>>>> Insert Flame here ^^^^^^^ > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> State Secret. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The beacons from one are in a different format than the other. > > It > >>>> has to > >>>>>>>> fixed in the code by one or the other, preferably both. An SA, > >>>> unless > >>>>>>>> it's a high end lab grade one, won't show the difference. > >>>> Since 5 > >>>>>>>> MHz was a lucky accident on Atheros' part, they never > documented > >>>> how to > >>>>>>>> use it fully so different vendors made reasonable, but > > different, > >>>>>>>> choices about how to modify their drivers to use it. Result is > >>>> staring > >>>>>>>> Matt in the face with an evil grin. It can be fixed, in code > >>>> though. > >>>>>>>> After all, Tranzeo and other brands can connect to both. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Damian > >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] > >>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of D. > > Ryan > >>>> Spott > >>>>>>>> Sent: April-21-10 10:09 AM > >>>>>>>> To: Mikrotik discussions > >>>>>>>> Cc: Mikrotik discussions > >>>>>>>> Subject: [Spam Bayesian - ] - Re: [Mikrotik] Mikrotik/StarOS > >>>> 10mhz/5mhz > >>>>>>>> channel compatibility - Bayesian Filter detected spam > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> What are the center frequencies reported by the staros and mtik > >>>> boxes > >>>>>>>> when you go to 10mhz channels? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Do you have a spectrum analyzer? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ryan > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 10:04 AM, Matt Larsen - Lists > >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Did some more testing on this today. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> 5ghz 10mhz and 5mhz channels seem to work fine, with Mikrotik > > as a > >>>>>>>>> client to a StarOS AP. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> 2.4ghz 10mhz and 5mhz channels do not work at all with > Mikrotik > > as > >>>> a > >>>>>>>>> client to a StarOS AP. I did verify that the 20mhz channel > >>>>>>>>> settings worked fine. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> This was using Mikrotik R52 cards on both sides, Hardware > > Retries > >>>>>>>>> set to 15 and tested under Mikrotik 2.9.48 and 3.25. StarOS > > is > >>>>>>>>> version 1.3.23b. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Ideas? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Matt Larsen > >>>>>>>>> vistabeam.com > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2010 7:18 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> What specifically is the problem? They won't connect on > > 5/10MHz > >>>> on a > >>>>>>>>>> StarOS AP? Is the StarOS AP an Atheros based AP? Have you > > tried > >>>>>>>>>> setting Hardware Retries to 15 under advanced wireless > > settings > >>>> on > >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> Tik? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>>>>> Chuck Hogg > >>>>>>>>>> Shelby Broadband > >>>>>>>>>> 502-722-9292 > >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>> http://www.shelbybb.com > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > > Matt > >>>>>>>>>> Larsen - > >>>>>>>>>> Lists > >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:13 AM > >>>>>>>>>> To: Mikrotik discussions > >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Mikrotik] Mikrotik/StarOS 10mhz/5mhz channel > >>>> compatibility > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I realize that I asked this question a few months ago, but > >>>> thought > >>>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>> I would ask again to see if anyone knows whether there have > > been > >>>>>>>>>> changes > >>>>>>>>>> in new versions of Mikrotik that would fix the compatibility > > with > >>>>>>>>>> StarOS > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> 10mhz/5mhz APs? I have a pile of MT units that are no good > > to > >>>> me > >>>>>>>>>> unless they work with StarOS APs. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Matt Larsen > >>>>>>>>>> vistabeam.com > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>> Mikrotik mailing list > >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>> http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related to > >>>> Mikrotik > >>>>>>>>>> RouterOS > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>> Mikrotik mailing list > >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>> http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related to > >>>> Mikrotik > >>>>>>>>>> RouterOS > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> Mikrotik mailing list > >>>>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>>> http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related to > >>>> Mikrotik > >>>>>>>>> RouterOS > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> Mikrotik mailing list > >>>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>> http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related to > > Mikrotik > >>>>>>>> RouterOS > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> Mikrotik mailing list > >>>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>> http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related to > > Mikrotik > >>>>> RouterOS > >>>>>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Mikrotik mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik > >>>>>> > >>>> Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related to Mikrotik > >>>> RouterOS > >>>>>> > >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>> URL: > >>>> > > > <http://www.butchevans.com/pipermail/mikrotik/attachments/20100421/f41b2 > >>>> af2/attachment.html> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Mikrotik mailing list > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik > >>>> > >>>>> Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related to > Mikrotik > >>>> RouterOS > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Mikrotik mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik > >>>> > >>>> Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related to Mikrotik > >>>> RouterOS > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Mikrotik mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik > >>>> > >>>> Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related to Mikrotik > >>>> RouterOS > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Mikrotik mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik > >>> > >>> Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related to Mikrotik > >>> RouterOS > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Mikrotik mailing list > >>[email protected] > >>http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik > >> > >>Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related to Mikrotik > > RouterOS > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mikrotik mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik > > > > Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related to Mikrotik > > RouterOS > > _______________________________________________ > > Mikrotik mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik > > > > Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related to Mikrotik > RouterOS > > > > > -- > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to > continue that counts." > --- Winston Churchill > _______________________________________________ > Mikrotik mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik > > Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related to Mikrotik > RouterOS > _______________________________________________ > Mikrotik mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik > > Visit http://blog.butchevans.com/ for tutorials related to Mikrotik > RouterOS > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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