On 31 Dec 2008, 14:15, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
> And? Have you developped into into a vegetarian adult like me? Or do
> you still become the cow's puke as the very matter it is made of when
> you have your burger?
>
From the options given, I suppose I still become the cow's
puke. Although, I have to say, I don't see the mechanism behind that
process. I eat both vegetables and meat. The source energy, though,
is from the sun, as the plants that the animals eat gathered THEIR
energy form the sun. So, all food energy is, ultimately, from the
sun, whether you get it from plants that photosynthesised it or you
get it from the animals who ate the plants that photosynthesised it.
To my way of thinking, any morality associated with gathering
energy from food is, essentially, arbitrary in that, since nothing
lives but by the death of those things they eat. Any value judgements
on which lifeforms are worthy of destroying (or preserving) in order
to fulfill the fact that something must die in order to allow one to
live, is bound to be based more on personal musing than any
established objective basis.
But, of course, there are the daily slaughters that we don't
usually consider:
1) the insects we step on or drive into
2) the various bacteria and viruses that we condemn through
antibiotics and/or antivirals and/or normal GOOD hygiene
3) the various animals that we condemn through carelessness of
how our rubbish is handled. E.g., you may throw away the plastic rings
of a six-pack into your rubbish and the binmen take it away; however,
at the landfill, it ended up getting caught around a bird's neck and
killed it.
Whilst I have nothing against being vegetarian, I, personally, don't
think it's necessarily a morally 'better' way, only another way.
Death is death and I don't want to make the vegetarian judgement that
some lifeforms are more worthy to be destroyed simply because they
can't move away or that they aren't, in some way (like being an
animal), more like us.
> On 31 Dez., 13:47, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > On 31 Dec, 12:28, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > Yeah I'm with you Pat.
>
> > > I was Christaned as a baby, and that really has had nil effect on
> > > mylife. Child abuse, of course not.
>
> > I was offended earlier in my life (in that, if I'd have been offered
> > the choice, I probably would have NOT had it done. And, that would
> > have been in those years when I was rebelling against God [and/or the
> > concept of God] and felt more animosity towards anything Christian).
> > Now, mostly because of my philosophy, I just gladly accept it as one
> > of those things that happened that led me to where I am now.
>
> > > On 31 Dec, 11:31, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > On 30 Dec, 17:02, "willy minnen" <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > This is not a joke. I was baptised cathaholic some days after my
> > > > > birth. At
> > > > > the age of 17/18 I asked the bishop of Antwerp to cancel me from his
> > > > > fan-list. I feared to receive sacraments under force. This request is
> > > > > still
> > > > > pending 50 years later. Child baptism is another form of child-abuse
> > > > > and
> > > > > ought to be forbidden.
> > > > > Happy New Year everybody,
> > > > > Willy (free from religion)
>
> > > > I always avoided taking communion (Eucharist) because, even at the
> > > > age of 7, I saw it as a kind of symbolic cannabalism and vampirism
> > > > that I just didn't want to be a part of. I could see no value in
> > > > pretending to eat a God. And, to this day, I still see no value in
> > > > it. Although I, too, was baptised as a baby, I don't hold a grudge, I
> > > > just don't recognise that it did anything other than act as an excuse
> > > > for my parents to have a party. ;-)
>
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Lonlaz
> > > > > To: "Minds Eye"
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 2:51 PM
> > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Has anyone else met Christ?
>
> > > > > Quote:
>
> > > > > "I met Jesus, the Christ in 1988. I was raised in church, decided I
> > > > > hated it, turned to drugs & became atheistic & even dabbled in
> > > > > satanism. I was challenged by a Christian to "ask God to reveal
> > > > > Himself to you" and so I asked "God" to do just that. I went to bed,
> > > > > nothing happened, I was actually expecting an earthquake or
> > > > > lightning...but...nothing happened so I went to bed that night still
> > > > > an atheist / drug addict. "
>
> > > > > Any good conversion story requires one at one time either dabbling
> > > > > in
> > > > > occult forces/being a satanist/being an athiest. I question that a
> > > > > person actually gave it a good try being an Athiest, if they were a
> > > > > Satanist as well. So, I needed some more details.
>
> > > > > Ricky, though, I'm glad you found something to help keep you away
> > > > > from
> > > > > the drugs. Though Christianity works for you, it may not be best
> > > > > for
> > > > > everyone else.
>
> > > > > In a converse story, I once asked God to reveal Satan to me, that
> > > > > was
> > > > > a trying night. :)
>
> > > > > On Dec 30, 7:35 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > On 29 Dec, 15:00, Lonlaz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Ricky,
>
> > > > > > > I'd like to hear more about your expirience with Satanism, can
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > expound on that?
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> > > > > > Where did he say he had any experience with Satanism?- Hide
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