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:-) On Jan 3, 5:40 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > Notes on the observation states of observers are legion and key in > much science. There has been a move to reliableism of late - matching > up theorising to many different circumstances of observation. I still > meet people who confuse proper objectivity with somekind of cold, > dispassionate stance and even nodding donkey unthought. > > On 3 Jan, 14:19, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > There is nothing wrong with a healthy ego, but imagine a world where > > you are > > the only person alive, alone in the world. Perhaps the value of > > interaction > > would then become more appreciated. <rw > > > This is obvious, as we are social creatures in constant states of > > interaction with our environment. > > > You don't have to search too deeply to understand your own self, your > > own > > drives , desires, strengths and weaknesses.<rw > > > I don't see how the process of understanding the individual self > > changes based on seclusion. > > > You will be a more contented being if you spend more time considering > > the > > strengths, weaknesses, drives and desires of those around you, <rw > > > For sure but I'm already living on those lines and I'm sure others are > > as well. It is not a new concept to consider others. > > > and you don't need superstition based religions to do that! <rw > > > Well the truth is we really don't need anything to serve as the > > impetus for consideration. Caring is innate in humanity and not based > > on religion. > > > Robert has a good point in that many seem very short of proper facts > > about the world - introspection needs to be a compliment to > > observation and not re-inventing the wheel. <archy > > > This is true, looking inward and looking outward go together, and many > > do fall short of recognizing the condition of their peers. As I > > brought up in another thread, making people around me happy makes my > > life better. To do this I must understand them first, however as Lee > > pointed out, I can't accomplish that without understanding myself, > > Therefore, while introspection and observation are complimentary, > > there is a order in that one precedes the other. Observation is not > > possible without introspection, and of course that means introspection > > that is compatible with the observation without which there is > > conflict. I don't think it is as simple as Roberts illusory image of > > Utopia. > > > On Jan 3, 2:30 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > It seems autistic people have little idea of the deceptive > > > capabilities of others well into their teens. This gives them a > > > rather false notion in applying self-knowledge to others. I think > > > Robert has a good point in that many seem very short of proper facts > > > about the world - introspection needs to be a compliment to > > > observation and not re-inventing the wheel. > > > > On 3 Jan, 04:36, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Well I am with Lee as far as the disagreement. Aside from that I would > > > > have to add that the not knowing who you are and what you are about, > > > > leaves you in the midst of total confusion. If your self image is that > > > > of a warrior you might kill the first person you meet or if your self > > > > image was that of a pacifist you might find peace in knowing you can > > > > cajole your earth mate into a more loving situation. > > > > > When you Robert use the term "you" I think you are referring more to > > > > yourself than others. However, before we can enter your proposed > > > > world of imagination, lets explore what you are calling "Healthy > > > > Ego". > > > > > What exactly in your terms is a healthy ego? > > > > > On Dec 30 2008, 11:53 pm, "Robert Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I seem to be reading more and more about self and self image.How about > > > > > looking outwards. > > > > > There is nothing wrong with a healthy ego, but imagine a world where > > > > > you are > > > > > the only person alive, alone in the world. Perhaps the value of > > > > > interaction > > > > > would then become more appreciated. > > > > > You don't have to search too deeply to understand your own self, your > > > > > own > > > > > drives , desires, strengths and weaknesses. > > > > > You will be a more contented being if you spend more time considering > > > > > the > > > > > strengths, weaknesses, drives and desires of those around you, and > > > > > you don't > > > > > need superstition based religions to do that! > > > > > > Robert.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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