It is just another example of how government has deteriorated to the point of chaos, it's just like any other corporate corruption scandal.
It is no longer a government; it has become dysfunctional. We might as well have the mob running the country. The people have been too complacent for too long and government has run amok. "Happy New Year 1776" On Jan 5, 4:39 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > That's interesting, as in the state of Illinois, Jessie Jackson Jr. is > connected with the Governor's scandal and criminal charges about > selling Obama's Senate seat to the highest bidder. It is rumored that > the Fed's wire tap tapes contain a million dollar bid for the seat by > Jessie Jackson Jr. Watching this unfold will be very interesting. > > On Jan 3, 3:37 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Discerning what Molly puts forward is a key in a society that is more > > and more managed. Jesse Jackson has an interesting interpretation of > > the Martin Luther "dream" speech in which we need to see broken > > promises and dream. > > > On 3 Jan, 04:27, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Molly, you didn't give me the numbers to the Keyless Entry and so I am > > > stuck on the outside because I couldn't get in. > > > > On Jan 2, 10:04 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > Everyone brings a delicious piece of the pie here to the discussion. > > > > (can't get enough pie during the holidays!) I love the idea of the > > > > collective self image and know it is an important one, directly > > > > related to our own internal self-image. I have been asking myself > > > > how, in the past few days of celebration with friends and family. I > > > > think that individually, we express ourselves in art, science and > > > > economies. Conversely (or sometimes paradoxically,) we find ourselves > > > > influenced by what is manifest in culture, technology/industry, > > > > politics. As I examine my own internal workings, I think that there > > > > may be a disconnect of self image (individual and collective) if I > > > > identify (find my identity in) culture, politics etc., instead of > > > > knowing myself through my relationship with these "things." Allowing > > > > the objective world to dictate self image leaves me feeling separate > > > > and wanting. > > > > > Why worry about what others think, do, say? Why feel the need to > > > > conform to trends, ideologies, etc.? If I think instead about my > > > > relationship to them, (how do they serve my day to day life, when I am > > > > in service to them am I feeling my highest potential, in what ways do > > > > I benefit and contribute, what do they show me about myself, can I > > > > feel the love?) I can let go of what is limited and unchangeable. I > > > > think most of all, Gruff, about you, and how the world has let you > > > > down. Your relationship to all that is so much more important than > > > > anything that was said and done. You are MORE than any of that...and > > > > there can be a relationship that includes forgiveness, compassion and > > > > self determination. I truly believe that the state of mind we are in > > > > when we leave this world is what carries us into what is next. If we > > > > can find our way to self love, peace and harmony in our final > > > > moment ... we may just find that the rest of what the world offered us > > > > in this life falls away from our next experience. > > > > > I think that as our self-image improves and changes and our > > > > relationship to the collective image improves and changes, we are > > > > hooked into our limitless nature. Those parts of ourselves that have > > > > us seeing ourselves as separate from everyone, better or worse, angry > > > > or resentful - define the limits of our self-image. > > > > > On Jan 2, 10:02 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Never stated that it was "only" in respect to environment but that > > > > > environment is increasingly having a greater impact on the formation > > > > > of self image. The constant is the internal self image which does not > > > > > have to be revealed to others. The image of the exterior can be > > > > > manipulated and enhanced to create a facade. The internal self image > > > > > has two parts, one that is the truth image, unchangeable as in you are > > > > > who you are and the other can be what you think you are regardless of > > > > > it's truth value, denial or wishful thinking. The intenal self image > > > > > is not fixed, see my first post in thread. > > > > > > On Jan 2, 3:27 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > SD, self - image is not only in respect of the environment. > > > > > > > It is a constant. We cannot avoid having and living with one, > > > > > > wherever > > > > > > and whenever. The rest follows : whether in truth or in fantasy, > > > > > > manipulative or manipulated ! > > > > > > > On Jan 2, 1:04 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I agree wholly as the parental influence is greatly overlooked as > > > > > > > being a integral part of the image formation. I know my parents > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > never understand the philosophy of self image and the influence, > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > lack of, they had upon it. Only mom is left anyway and she > > > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > really know what day it is. But on track, it could only be the > > > > > > > discovery of this tidbit of information that could lead a person > > > > > > > down > > > > > > > the path of self image realization and modification based upon > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > self awareness. I feel a strong correlation between this thread > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > the Golden Shadow thread (another Molly wonder). We cannot > > > > > > > change the > > > > > > > outward projection without recognizing what lies in the shadow. > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > recognition allows us to weed out that which we know is not our > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > being and without it we continue to waver in the sea of > > > > > > > possibilities. > > > > > > > Personally I feel self image coincides with and is pertinent to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > life that we are living at the time. Our age, environment, > > > > > > > circumstances all contribute to our self image. There may have > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > times where self image mattered not but new environs awaken the > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > to (re)establish our self image. ie: The image of a playboy > > > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > cut it in the nursing home, nor does the image of a sultry sex > > > > > > > kitten. The complexity increases as we further delve into the > > > > > > > perspectives of self image. It seems to me that self image must > > > > > > > change with time and the parameters of life changes. For those who > > > > > > > live their lives from birth to death in the same house, the same > > > > > > > town > > > > > > > with unchanging environs have little to no need to examine self > > > > > > > image > > > > > > > for it fits comfortably within their life circumstance. Those > > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > live change often must often change their self image. > > > > > > > > On Jan 1, 10:31 am, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Lon, Archy, I can confidently vouch for your proposition that > > > > > > > > we never > > > > > > > > fully comprehend ourselves and for everyone else's points about > > > > > > > > self > > > > > > > > image as well. Molly, as usual you have come up with another > > > > > > > > pertinent observation about the human condition and started one > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > excellent discourse. > > > > > > > > > As a living example of the effects self-image can have on one's > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > life as well as on the lives of those whom I interact, I am > > > > > > > > also of an > > > > > > > > age where I can be more honest about myself then heretofore > > > > > > > > permitted, > > > > > > > > and I have to say that I'm sorely disappointed with the entire > > > > > > > > dynamic > > > > > > > > of self-image -- not with it's reality but rather with how it > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > played itself out in my own particular instance. > > > > > > > > > Such dangerous tools should be kept out of the hands of those > > > > > > > > ill- > > > > > > > > equipped to play with them. The complete genesis of self image > > > > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > mostly hidden but I'd be willing to bet a large sum a vast > > > > > > > > majority of > > > > > > > > it has to do with family, particularly ones' parents and > > > > > > > > siblings. > > > > > > > > > Self image may in some ways rely on genetics but I believe the > > > > > > > > vast > > > > > > > > majority of it is instilled in us during our single digit youth > > > > > > > > which, > > > > > > > > like marriage -- for better or worse -- we carry forward into > > > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > pathways we travel in life, trailing its detritus behind us. > > > > > > > > > Parts of our self image including how we feel about ourselves > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > readily apparent in our external behavior, which makes us more > > > > > > > > transparent to others than to ourselves until we reach that > > > > > > > > point of > > > > > > > > development where we can begin to look at ourselves more > > > > > > > > honestly. I > > > > > > > > went through most of my life knowing something was terribly > > > > > > > > wrong but > > > > > > > > lacked the ability to figure out what. At least till I began to > > > > > > > > indulge in therapy. > > > > > > > > > But even now, many years later, there are still deep aspects of > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > self image which are hidden from me or which I refuse to see and > > > > > > > > acknowledge. Perhaps long term deep psychotherapy might > > > > > > > > uncover them > > > > > > > > but that's an impractical approach for many reasons, not the > > > > > > > > least of > > > > > > > > which is the fact that I've come to distrust most psychological > > > > > > > > therapists. It's a profession that seems to lay a deadly trap > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > it's pratitioners. I can imagine listening to the deepest and > > > > > > > > darkest > > > > > > > > parts of others day after day after year after year takes its > > > > > > > > toll, > > > > > > > > but on the other hand some of these people are fairly twisted > > > > > > > > beforehand which likely led them into the profession of > > > > > > > > psychology. > > > > > > > > > But honestly determining your own self image is at least as > > > > > > > > daunting > > > > > > > > as trying to overcome the psychologically habitual behavior > > > > > > > > that stems > > > > > > > > from those deeply buried images. On a personal level I know > > > > > > > > some of > > > > > > > > the self image I learned as a child -- that I was worthless, > > > > > > > > no-good, > > > > > > > > evil, and would never amount to anything -- and how much that > > > > > > > > image > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
