Indeed Vam - though in terms of broadcasting truth about deception, we live in the world of spin. People get very nervous when the truth is being told.
On 6 Jan, 03:56, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > " We are not good at spotting behavioural deception ... " > > I agree. However, the devil lies in the details. Which, however, we > are not privy to, mostly. > > There's more, though. Even if we, as few individuals, are able to spot > behavioural deception, it is often of no help, unless that knowledge > is broadcast to establish the fact among people at large. > > Most people see what they want to see, hear what they want to hear ... > that's how we are ! > > On Jan 6, 8:37 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Aw! Moll! and Mr. Jackson was soo encouraging as Joe Honest in his > > own film! Another illusion trashed! Well, not quite. I like your > > "possibility model" above. Now to brass tacks - have you put a bid in > > in Illinois? More seriously, it's so obvious now that our systems are > > corrupt, that it is also clear we need transparency - but what use is > > this when the corrupt can still use transparency rhetoric? > > Politicians are apt to have a self image involving them trying to do > > their best in the best of all possible worlds of real politik. This > > is actually pretty stupid, but they think it's clever. We are not > > good at spotting behavioural deception, and still not using history to > > help us out of this bind. I suspect the simple shift in thinking will > > only appear simple after it has taken place. It remains something we > > need. > > > On 6 Jan, 01:34, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > It is just another example of how government has deteriorated to the > > > point of chaos, it's just like any other corporate corruption scandal. > > > > It is no longer a government; it has become dysfunctional. We might > > > as well have the mob running the country. > > > > The people have been too complacent for too long and government has > > > run amok. > > > > "Happy New Year 1776" > > > > On Jan 5, 4:39 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > That's interesting, as in the state of Illinois, Jessie Jackson Jr. is > > > > connected with the Governor's scandal and criminal charges about > > > > selling Obama's Senate seat to the highest bidder. It is rumored that > > > > the Fed's wire tap tapes contain a million dollar bid for the seat by > > > > Jessie Jackson Jr. Watching this unfold will be very interesting. > > > > > On Jan 3, 3:37 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Discerning what Molly puts forward is a key in a society that is more > > > > > and more managed. Jesse Jackson has an interesting interpretation of > > > > > the Martin Luther "dream" speech in which we need to see broken > > > > > promises and dream. > > > > > > On 3 Jan, 04:27, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Molly, you didn't give me the numbers to the Keyless Entry and so I > > > > > > am > > > > > > stuck on the outside because I couldn't get in. > > > > > > > On Jan 2, 10:04 am, Molly Brogan > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Everyone brings a delicious piece of the pie here to the > > > > > > > discussion. > > > > > > > (can't get enough pie during the holidays!) I love the idea of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > collective self image and know it is an important one, directly > > > > > > > related to our own internal self-image. I have been asking myself > > > > > > > how, in the past few days of celebration with friends and family. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > think that individually, we express ourselves in art, science and > > > > > > > economies. Conversely (or sometimes paradoxically,) we find > > > > > > > ourselves > > > > > > > influenced by what is manifest in culture, technology/industry, > > > > > > > politics. As I examine my own internal workings, I think that > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > may be a disconnect of self image (individual and collective) if I > > > > > > > identify (find my identity in) culture, politics etc., instead of > > > > > > > knowing myself through my relationship with these "things." > > > > > > > Allowing > > > > > > > the objective world to dictate self image leaves me feeling > > > > > > > separate > > > > > > > and wanting. > > > > > > > > Why worry about what others think, do, say? Why feel the need to > > > > > > > conform to trends, ideologies, etc.? If I think instead about my > > > > > > > relationship to them, (how do they serve my day to day life, when > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > in service to them am I feeling my highest potential, in what > > > > > > > ways do > > > > > > > I benefit and contribute, what do they show me about myself, can I > > > > > > > feel the love?) I can let go of what is limited and unchangeable. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > think most of all, Gruff, about you, and how the world has let you > > > > > > > down. Your relationship to all that is so much more important > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > anything that was said and done. You are MORE than any of > > > > > > > that...and > > > > > > > there can be a relationship that includes forgiveness, compassion > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > self determination. I truly believe that the state of mind we > > > > > > > are in > > > > > > > when we leave this world is what carries us into what is next. > > > > > > > If we > > > > > > > can find our way to self love, peace and harmony in our final > > > > > > > moment ... we may just find that the rest of what the world > > > > > > > offered us > > > > > > > in this life falls away from our next experience. > > > > > > > > I think that as our self-image improves and changes and our > > > > > > > relationship to the collective image improves and changes, we are > > > > > > > hooked into our limitless nature. Those parts of ourselves that > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > us seeing ourselves as separate from everyone, better or worse, > > > > > > > angry > > > > > > > or resentful - define the limits of our self-image. > > > > > > > > On Jan 2, 10:02 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Never stated that it was "only" in respect to environment but > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > environment is increasingly having a greater impact on the > > > > > > > > formation > > > > > > > > of self image. The constant is the internal self image which > > > > > > > > does not > > > > > > > > have to be revealed to others. The image of the exterior can be > > > > > > > > manipulated and enhanced to create a facade. The internal self > > > > > > > > image > > > > > > > > has two parts, one that is the truth image, unchangeable as in > > > > > > > > you are > > > > > > > > who you are and the other can be what you think you are > > > > > > > > regardless of > > > > > > > > it's truth value, denial or wishful thinking. The intenal self > > > > > > > > image > > > > > > > > is not fixed, see my first post in thread. > > > > > > > > > On Jan 2, 3:27 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > SD, self - image is not only in respect of the environment. > > > > > > > > > > It is a constant. We cannot avoid having and living with one, > > > > > > > > > wherever > > > > > > > > > and whenever. The rest follows : whether in truth or in > > > > > > > > > fantasy, > > > > > > > > > manipulative or manipulated ! > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 2, 1:04 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I agree wholly as the parental influence is greatly > > > > > > > > > > overlooked as > > > > > > > > > > being a integral part of the image formation. I know my > > > > > > > > > > parents could > > > > > > > > > > never understand the philosophy of self image and the > > > > > > > > > > influence, or > > > > > > > > > > lack of, they had upon it. Only mom is left anyway and she > > > > > > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > > > really know what day it is. But on track, it could only be > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > discovery of this tidbit of information that could lead a > > > > > > > > > > person down > > > > > > > > > > the path of self image realization and modification based > > > > > > > > > > upon true > > > > > > > > > > self awareness. I feel a strong correlation between this > > > > > > > > > > thread and > > > > > > > > > > the Golden Shadow thread (another Molly wonder). We cannot > > > > > > > > > > change the > > > > > > > > > > outward projection without recognizing what lies in the > > > > > > > > > > shadow. This > > > > > > > > > > recognition allows us to weed out that which we know is not > > > > > > > > > > our true > > > > > > > > > > being and without it we continue to waver in the sea of > > > > > > > > > > possibilities. > > > > > > > > > > Personally I feel self image coincides with and is > > > > > > > > > > pertinent to the > > > > > > > > > > life that we are living at the time. Our age, environment, > > > > > > > > > > circumstances all contribute to our self image. There may > > > > > > > > > > have been > > > > > > > > > > times where self image mattered not but new environs awaken > > > > > > > > > > the need > > > > > > > > > > to (re)establish our self image. ie: The image of a playboy > > > > > > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > > > cut it in the nursing home, nor does the image of a sultry > > > > > > > > > > sex > > > > > > > > > > kitten. The complexity increases as we further delve into > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > perspectives of self image. It seems to me that self image > > > > > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > > > change with time and the parameters of life changes. For > > > > > > > > > > those who > > > > > > > > > > live their lives from birth to death in the same house, the > > > > > > > > > > same town > > > > > > > > > > with unchanging environs have little to no need to examine > > > > > > > > > > self image > > > > > > > > > > for it fits comfortably within their life circumstance. > > > > > > > > > > Those whose > > > > > > > > > > live change often must often change their self image. > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 1, 10:31 am, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Lon, Archy, I can confidently vouch for your proposition > > > > > > > > > > > that we never > > > > > > > > > > > fully comprehend ourselves and for everyone else's points > > > > > > > > > > > about self > > > > > > > > > > > image as well. Molly, as usual you have come up with > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > pertinent observation about the human condition and > > > > > > > > > > > started one more > > > > > > > > > > > excellent discourse. > > > > > > > > > > > > As a living example of the effects self-image can have on > > > > > > > > > > > one's own > > > > > > > > > > > life as well as on the lives of those whom I interact, I > > > > > > > > > > > am also of an > > > > > > > > > > > age where I can be more honest about myself then > > > > > > > > > > > heretofore permitted, > > > > > > > > > > > and I have to say that I'm sorely disappointed with the > > > > > > > > > > > entire dynamic > > > > > > > > > > > of self-image -- not > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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