" We are not good at spotting behavioural deception ... " I agree. However, the devil lies in the details. Which, however, we are not privy to, mostly.
There's more, though. Even if we, as few individuals, are able to spot behavioural deception, it is often of no help, unless that knowledge is broadcast to establish the fact among people at large. Most people see what they want to see, hear what they want to hear ... that's how we are ! On Jan 6, 8:37 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > Aw! Moll! and Mr. Jackson was soo encouraging as Joe Honest in his > own film! Another illusion trashed! Well, not quite. I like your > "possibility model" above. Now to brass tacks - have you put a bid in > in Illinois? More seriously, it's so obvious now that our systems are > corrupt, that it is also clear we need transparency - but what use is > this when the corrupt can still use transparency rhetoric? > Politicians are apt to have a self image involving them trying to do > their best in the best of all possible worlds of real politik. This > is actually pretty stupid, but they think it's clever. We are not > good at spotting behavioural deception, and still not using history to > help us out of this bind. I suspect the simple shift in thinking will > only appear simple after it has taken place. It remains something we > need. > > On 6 Jan, 01:34, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > It is just another example of how government has deteriorated to the > > point of chaos, it's just like any other corporate corruption scandal. > > > It is no longer a government; it has become dysfunctional. We might > > as well have the mob running the country. > > > The people have been too complacent for too long and government has > > run amok. > > > "Happy New Year 1776" > > > On Jan 5, 4:39 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > That's interesting, as in the state of Illinois, Jessie Jackson Jr. is > > > connected with the Governor's scandal and criminal charges about > > > selling Obama's Senate seat to the highest bidder. It is rumored that > > > the Fed's wire tap tapes contain a million dollar bid for the seat by > > > Jessie Jackson Jr. Watching this unfold will be very interesting. > > > > On Jan 3, 3:37 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Discerning what Molly puts forward is a key in a society that is more > > > > and more managed. Jesse Jackson has an interesting interpretation of > > > > the Martin Luther "dream" speech in which we need to see broken > > > > promises and dream. > > > > > On 3 Jan, 04:27, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Molly, you didn't give me the numbers to the Keyless Entry and so I am > > > > > stuck on the outside because I couldn't get in. > > > > > > On Jan 2, 10:04 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Everyone brings a delicious piece of the pie here to the discussion. > > > > > > (can't get enough pie during the holidays!) I love the idea of the > > > > > > collective self image and know it is an important one, directly > > > > > > related to our own internal self-image. I have been asking myself > > > > > > how, in the past few days of celebration with friends and family. I > > > > > > think that individually, we express ourselves in art, science and > > > > > > economies. Conversely (or sometimes paradoxically,) we find > > > > > > ourselves > > > > > > influenced by what is manifest in culture, technology/industry, > > > > > > politics. As I examine my own internal workings, I think that there > > > > > > may be a disconnect of self image (individual and collective) if I > > > > > > identify (find my identity in) culture, politics etc., instead of > > > > > > knowing myself through my relationship with these "things." > > > > > > Allowing > > > > > > the objective world to dictate self image leaves me feeling separate > > > > > > and wanting. > > > > > > > Why worry about what others think, do, say? Why feel the need to > > > > > > conform to trends, ideologies, etc.? If I think instead about my > > > > > > relationship to them, (how do they serve my day to day life, when I > > > > > > am > > > > > > in service to them am I feeling my highest potential, in what ways > > > > > > do > > > > > > I benefit and contribute, what do they show me about myself, can I > > > > > > feel the love?) I can let go of what is limited and unchangeable. I > > > > > > think most of all, Gruff, about you, and how the world has let you > > > > > > down. Your relationship to all that is so much more important than > > > > > > anything that was said and done. You are MORE than any of > > > > > > that...and > > > > > > there can be a relationship that includes forgiveness, compassion > > > > > > and > > > > > > self determination. I truly believe that the state of mind we are > > > > > > in > > > > > > when we leave this world is what carries us into what is next. If > > > > > > we > > > > > > can find our way to self love, peace and harmony in our final > > > > > > moment ... we may just find that the rest of what the world offered > > > > > > us > > > > > > in this life falls away from our next experience. > > > > > > > I think that as our self-image improves and changes and our > > > > > > relationship to the collective image improves and changes, we are > > > > > > hooked into our limitless nature. Those parts of ourselves that > > > > > > have > > > > > > us seeing ourselves as separate from everyone, better or worse, > > > > > > angry > > > > > > or resentful - define the limits of our self-image. > > > > > > > On Jan 2, 10:02 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Never stated that it was "only" in respect to environment but that > > > > > > > environment is increasingly having a greater impact on the > > > > > > > formation > > > > > > > of self image. The constant is the internal self image which does > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > have to be revealed to others. The image of the exterior can be > > > > > > > manipulated and enhanced to create a facade. The internal self > > > > > > > image > > > > > > > has two parts, one that is the truth image, unchangeable as in > > > > > > > you are > > > > > > > who you are and the other can be what you think you are > > > > > > > regardless of > > > > > > > it's truth value, denial or wishful thinking. The intenal self > > > > > > > image > > > > > > > is not fixed, see my first post in thread. > > > > > > > > On Jan 2, 3:27 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > SD, self - image is not only in respect of the environment. > > > > > > > > > It is a constant. We cannot avoid having and living with one, > > > > > > > > wherever > > > > > > > > and whenever. The rest follows : whether in truth or in fantasy, > > > > > > > > manipulative or manipulated ! > > > > > > > > > On Jan 2, 1:04 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I agree wholly as the parental influence is greatly > > > > > > > > > overlooked as > > > > > > > > > being a integral part of the image formation. I know my > > > > > > > > > parents could > > > > > > > > > never understand the philosophy of self image and the > > > > > > > > > influence, or > > > > > > > > > lack of, they had upon it. Only mom is left anyway and she > > > > > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > > really know what day it is. But on track, it could only be > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > discovery of this tidbit of information that could lead a > > > > > > > > > person down > > > > > > > > > the path of self image realization and modification based > > > > > > > > > upon true > > > > > > > > > self awareness. I feel a strong correlation between this > > > > > > > > > thread and > > > > > > > > > the Golden Shadow thread (another Molly wonder). We cannot > > > > > > > > > change the > > > > > > > > > outward projection without recognizing what lies in the > > > > > > > > > shadow. This > > > > > > > > > recognition allows us to weed out that which we know is not > > > > > > > > > our true > > > > > > > > > being and without it we continue to waver in the sea of > > > > > > > > > possibilities. > > > > > > > > > Personally I feel self image coincides with and is pertinent > > > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > life that we are living at the time. Our age, environment, > > > > > > > > > circumstances all contribute to our self image. There may > > > > > > > > > have been > > > > > > > > > times where self image mattered not but new environs awaken > > > > > > > > > the need > > > > > > > > > to (re)establish our self image. ie: The image of a playboy > > > > > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > > cut it in the nursing home, nor does the image of a sultry sex > > > > > > > > > kitten. The complexity increases as we further delve into the > > > > > > > > > perspectives of self image. It seems to me that self image > > > > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > > change with time and the parameters of life changes. For > > > > > > > > > those who > > > > > > > > > live their lives from birth to death in the same house, the > > > > > > > > > same town > > > > > > > > > with unchanging environs have little to no need to examine > > > > > > > > > self image > > > > > > > > > for it fits comfortably within their life circumstance. Those > > > > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > > > live change often must often change their self image. > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 1, 10:31 am, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Lon, Archy, I can confidently vouch for your proposition > > > > > > > > > > that we never > > > > > > > > > > fully comprehend ourselves and for everyone else's points > > > > > > > > > > about self > > > > > > > > > > image as well. Molly, as usual you have come up with > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > pertinent observation about the human condition and started > > > > > > > > > > one more > > > > > > > > > > excellent discourse. > > > > > > > > > > > As a living example of the effects self-image can have on > > > > > > > > > > one's own > > > > > > > > > > life as well as on the lives of those whom I interact, I am > > > > > > > > > > also of an > > > > > > > > > > age where I can be more honest about myself then heretofore > > > > > > > > > > permitted, > > > > > > > > > > and I have to say that I'm sorely disappointed with the > > > > > > > > > > entire dynamic > > > > > > > > > > of self-image -- not with it's reality but rather with how > > > > > > > > > > it has > > > > > > > > > > played itself out in my own particular instance. > > > > > > > > > > > Such dangerous tools should be kept out of the hands of > > > > > > > > > > those ill- > > > > > > > > > > equipped to play with them. The complete genesis of self > > > > > > > > > > image may be > > > > > > > > > > mostly hidden but I'd be willing to bet a large sum a vast > > > > > > > > > > majority of > > > > > > > > > > it has to do with family, particularly ones' parents and > > > > > > > > > > siblings. > > > > > > > > > > > Self image may in some ways rely on genetics but I believe > > > > > > > > > > the vast > > > > > > > > > > majority of it is instilled in us during our single digit > > > > > > > > > > youth which, > > > > > > > > > > like marriage -- for better or worse -- we carry forward > > > > > > > > > > into whatever > > > > > > > > > > pathways we travel in life, > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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