"...while they seem to be taken for granted on the other side of the Atlantic..." - fran
Fran, sadly we in the colonies neither take ‘em for granted nor even wish to take them! They have been foisted upon the general population by the result of paid lobbyists and a purchased ‘governmental’ Food and Drug Administration. (FDA) The sad thing is that now that Pandora is out of the box, …well that is it. About 6 years or so ago, I think the percentage of GM foods here in the US was up to 80% or so. On Jan 8, 4:44 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > The spookfish is a predator living below 1000 feet. It's eyes do not > have lenses, but mirrors. All spook and mirrors no doubt. I don't > find godswork in this, but I do find something in evolution worth > thinking about in issues of "design" like this - not least that human > interventions (once we really understand something practically) can be > a catalyst. We really do not know yet whether we should be leaving > well alone, but do know there are dangers and that nature itself is > "experimental". I don't find Molly fits with any kind of anti-science > "blog" - indeed she often seems very knowledgeable. I think she may > have projected this on me occasionally - but I do ask for it. Like so > many "crisis managers", we all have a tendency to create the very > things that then need fixing. My own view is that "capitalism" (a > term that really needs unpacking) is pathological and causes massive > problems, including the need to be on a war footing and a general lack > of sanity and healthy competition. We are revoltingly patronised by > our politicians and media in a world of muddled mass entertainment, > with seriousness so discounted we can only be satirical in critique. > The UK government just used anti-terrorist legislation to "deal" with > a pipsqueak Icelandic bank. Knowledge and legislation are regularly > abused, and our fears on over-medicalisation, GM and whatever are > grounded to some extent in realistic fears. > > On 8 Jan, 20:53, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > "your ant-science rant" > > > not sure why you see it like this, Chaz, unless you are looking for > > something to rail against. I'm all for science, and have stated here > > that I see it as a natural expression of our self image, collective > > and individual. > > > I said "IF we are fortunate enough to live in a society that is > > relatively free of toxins", this does not mean that I think the world > > is toxin free. I am wondering if you purposely misconstrue my > > statements, or if in your haste to argue, just don't understand them. > > My point was, that if we are lucky enough to live in an area that is > > relatively free of toxins, war, disease etc...or life span increases. > > > "And yet ALL the archaeological evidence tells us that this was simply > > not so. I am certain this statement is blanket, but haven't the time > > or inclination to do the research to dispute. I think that if you > > understood my statements, you might see that we are saying much the > > same thing without the generalizations. > > > "Indeed such as radiotherapy and chemotherapy. BUT targeting the > > specific DNA of a cancer cell would improve this problem." I never > > mentioned these, and my point was that here in the US anyway, pills > > are overly prescribed and medical testing is way overdone. What has > > this to do with cancer therapy? > > > On Jan 8, 12:34 pm, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Jan 8, 4:22 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > So that's where you got your 99% from, chaz, > > > > geez:http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-38619-2.html#backToArti... > > > > No - but thanks for the link. > > > I get my 99% from my studies in archaeology. > > > > > On 8 Jan., 16:44, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > 99% of human history ... who or what accounts for the mentioned gap? > > > > > Molly's super-designer? > > > > > > On 8 Jan., 12:45, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jan 7, 9:29 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > For the cow's puke sake, chazwin, please give a scientifically > > > > > > > correct > > > > > > > definition of "natural environment", say, in contrast to an > > > > > > > unnatural > > > > > > > environment. Life expectancy figures will be our next topic then. > > > > > > > I was refering to a time, 99% of human history, when humans were > > > > > > hunting and gathering, and depended on the vicissitudes of the > > > > > > natural > > > > > > environment. > > > > > > I thought that was quite obvious. > > > > > > > > On 7 Jan., 20:22, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > This seems to me to be the typical anti-science model that is > > > > > > > > pervading our "alternative" consciousness. It is unfortunate and > > > > > > > > dangerous as most proponents choose to ignore the massive > > > > > > > > advances > > > > > > > > that have been made and would throw the baby out with the > > > > > > > > bath-water. > > > > > > > > This has led to an increase in some diseases that were sorted > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > people have been failing to participate in inoculation > > > > > > > > programmes. > > > > > > > > > On Jan 7, 2:39 pm, Molly Brogan > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I think this is just a longer extension of the old, broken > > > > > > > > > medical > > > > > > > > > model - we have to "do" something (take something, manipulate > > > > > > > > > something, remove something, add a device to the body) every > > > > > > > > > time we > > > > > > > > > are uncomfortable with the way it is performing. The body > > > > > > > > > heals > > > > > > > > > itself naturally and often has what is sometimes referred to > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > "healing crisis" which can appear to be "illness" but is, > > > > > > > > > instead, the > > > > > > > > > natural function of the bodies adaptation and change > > > > > > > > > function. By > > > > > > > > > traumatizing the body with a medical interruption to this > > > > > > > > > process > > > > > > > > > instead of allowing the body its natural healing cycles, we > > > > > > > > > delay or > > > > > > > > > destroy the healing. I am not talking about mending a broken > > > > > > > > > bone or > > > > > > > > > life saving measures (although some of what is considered > > > > > > > > > life saving > > > > > > > > > I find questionable.) Take the bacterial strep pneumonia, a > > > > > > > > > bacteria > > > > > > > > > found everywhere that lives dormant in everyone. > > > > > > > > > Occasionally, and we > > > > > > > > > don't know why, it takes over the body and in a very short > > > > > > > > > time can be > > > > > > > > > fatal. Yet we live peacefully with it in most cases. > > > > > > > > > > I don't think we understand enough about the true nature of > > > > > > > > > illness to > > > > > > > > > start changing our DNA to stop it. Our current model of > > > > > > > > > illness > > > > > > > > > intervention (pharmaceuticals and surgeries) has prolonged > > > > > > > > > life but > > > > > > > > > the quality of that life is questionable and it is highly > > > > > > > > > doubtful > > > > > > > > > that it makes us any healthier overall. In fact, quite the > > > > > > > > > opposite. > > > > > > > > > The healthiest people I know are the ones that take no pills > > > > > > > > > on a > > > > > > > > > daily basis. The unhealthiest are the ones (and there are > > > > > > > > > MANY) that > > > > > > > > > take handfuls each day. > > > > > > > > > You are mistaking cause and effect. Unhealthy people need the > > > > > > > > pills > > > > > > > > because they are unhealthy. Old people get to a stage when > > > > > > > > pills are > > > > > > > > what keep them going. When I say old I mean 40+. Life > > > > > > > > expectancy has > > > > > > > > massively increased with the advent of modern medicine. > > > > > > > > I am now 48. > > > > > > > > I get gout (hereditry), for which I can choose to take > > > > > > > > allapurinol OR, > > > > > > > > my choice, avoid protien rich food. I have managed to avoid the > > > > > > > > drug > > > > > > > > by taking care of my diet. But however careful I am the number > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > attacks is getting more frequent. > > > > > > > > I also have a gall stone. To avoid liver pain I have to keep my > > > > > > > > fat > > > > > > > > intake to a minimum. This I do with some success. > > > > > > > > I also have acid reflux. This is caused by a diet with too much > > > > > > > > carbohydrate. > > > > > > > > I think you can see where this is going. > > > > > > > > I can't survive on boiled cabbage and lettuce. So I treat the > > > > > > > > acid > > > > > > > > with Lansoprazole and seem to be doing okay. > > > > > > > > Getting cancer fucked up this carefully conceived and balanced > > > > > > > > strategy. > > > > > > > > > Currently, our medical model catches people > > > > > > > > > > as soon as they begin to use the system - antibiotics to > > > > > > > > > treat colds, > > > > > > > > > if the lungs are wheezing, prescribe an inhaler, > > > > > > > > > As there is no other alternative to Asthma, I think the inhaler > > > > > > > > route > > > > > > > > is great. I have one at hand at all times. > > > > > > > > > a mild heart > > > > > > > > > > palpitation, heart medication, anxiety, anti anxiety pills... > > > > > > > > > on and > > > > > > > > > on until the body is completely out of balance and not able > > > > > > > > > to self > > > > > > > > > regulate. > > > > > > > > > Self regulation is a myth. Before modern medicine people would > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > bloody die of the most simple thing. Evolution has not equipped > > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > well enough. In a natural environment child mortality is > > > > > > > > massive, and > > > > > > > > longevity is much shorter. > > > > > > > > In H/g societies during the Palaeolithic life expectancy was > > > > > > > > around 40 > > > > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > Our DNA has a natural evolution of change that allows our > > > > > > > > > conscious > > > > > > > > > evolution. Because we have the science to manipulate it > > > > > > > > > doesn't mean > > > > > > > > > it is always beneficial for us to do so. > > > > > > > > > But it is mostly. > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 6, 11:36 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > We've known for a long time that our antibody-forming > > > > > > > > > > system adapts > > > > > > > > > > itself to every microbe we encounter. What we didn't > > > > > > > > > > understand fully > > > > > > > > > > is exactly how this happens. Now that we know, we can begin > > > > > > > > > > to find > > > > > > > > > > ways to manipulate this process so illnesses can be > > > > > > > > > > prevented or made > > > > > > > > > > significantly less dangerous. > > > > > > > > > > > When the body encounters a foreign invader, like a virus or > > > > > > > > > > bacterium, > > > > > > > > > > it immediately begins to find a way to neutralize it by > > > > > > > > > > means of > > > > > > > > > > cellular or antibody-mediated defenses. Part of the process > > > > > > > > > > involves > > > > > > > > > > tailoring the genes that code for antibodies to specific > > > > > > > > > > viruses or > > > > > > > > > > bacteria. 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