On Jan 8, 4:22 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
> So that's where you got your 99% from, chaz,
> geez:http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-38619-2.html#backToArti...
No - but thanks for the link.
I get my 99% from my studies in archaeology.
>
> On 8 Jan., 16:44, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > 99% of human history ... who or what accounts for the mentioned gap?
> > Molly's super-designer?
>
> > On 8 Jan., 12:45, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 7, 9:29 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > For the cow's puke sake, chazwin, please give a scientifically correct
> > > > definition of "natural environment", say, in contrast to an unnatural
> > > > environment. Life expectancy figures will be our next topic then.
>
> > > I was refering to a time, 99% of human history, when humans were
> > > hunting and gathering, and depended on the vicissitudes of the natural
> > > environment.
> > > I thought that was quite obvious.
>
> > > > On 7 Jan., 20:22, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > This seems to me to be the typical anti-science model that is
> > > > > pervading our "alternative" consciousness. It is unfortunate and
> > > > > dangerous as most proponents choose to ignore the massive advances
> > > > > that have been made and would throw the baby out with the bath-water.
> > > > > This has led to an increase in some diseases that were sorted because
> > > > > people have been failing to participate in inoculation programmes.
>
> > > > > On Jan 7, 2:39 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > I think this is just a longer extension of the old, broken medical
> > > > > > model - we have to "do" something (take something, manipulate
> > > > > > something, remove something, add a device to the body) every time we
> > > > > > are uncomfortable with the way it is performing. The body heals
> > > > > > itself naturally and often has what is sometimes referred to as
> > > > > > "healing crisis" which can appear to be "illness" but is, instead,
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > natural function of the bodies adaptation and change function. By
> > > > > > traumatizing the body with a medical interruption to this process
> > > > > > instead of allowing the body its natural healing cycles, we delay or
> > > > > > destroy the healing. I am not talking about mending a broken bone
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > life saving measures (although some of what is considered life
> > > > > > saving
> > > > > > I find questionable.) Take the bacterial strep pneumonia, a
> > > > > > bacteria
> > > > > > found everywhere that lives dormant in everyone. Occasionally, and
> > > > > > we
> > > > > > don't know why, it takes over the body and in a very short time can
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > fatal. Yet we live peacefully with it in most cases.
>
> > > > > > I don't think we understand enough about the true nature of illness
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > start changing our DNA to stop it. Our current model of illness
> > > > > > intervention (pharmaceuticals and surgeries) has prolonged life but
> > > > > > the quality of that life is questionable and it is highly doubtful
> > > > > > that it makes us any healthier overall. In fact, quite the
> > > > > > opposite.
> > > > > > The healthiest people I know are the ones that take no pills on a
> > > > > > daily basis. The unhealthiest are the ones (and there are MANY)
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > take handfuls each day.
>
> > > > > You are mistaking cause and effect. Unhealthy people need the pills
> > > > > because they are unhealthy. Old people get to a stage when pills are
> > > > > what keep them going. When I say old I mean 40+. Life expectancy has
> > > > > massively increased with the advent of modern medicine.
> > > > > I am now 48.
> > > > > I get gout (hereditry), for which I can choose to take allapurinol OR,
> > > > > my choice, avoid protien rich food. I have managed to avoid the drug
> > > > > by taking care of my diet. But however careful I am the number of
> > > > > attacks is getting more frequent.
> > > > > I also have a gall stone. To avoid liver pain I have to keep my fat
> > > > > intake to a minimum. This I do with some success.
> > > > > I also have acid reflux. This is caused by a diet with too much
> > > > > carbohydrate.
> > > > > I think you can see where this is going.
> > > > > I can't survive on boiled cabbage and lettuce. So I treat the acid
> > > > > with Lansoprazole and seem to be doing okay.
> > > > > Getting cancer fucked up this carefully conceived and balanced
> > > > > strategy.
>
> > > > > Currently, our medical model catches people
>
> > > > > > as soon as they begin to use the system - antibiotics to treat
> > > > > > colds,
> > > > > > if the lungs are wheezing, prescribe an inhaler,
>
> > > > > As there is no other alternative to Asthma, I think the inhaler route
> > > > > is great. I have one at hand at all times.
>
> > > > > a mild heart
>
> > > > > > palpitation, heart medication, anxiety, anti anxiety pills... on
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > on until the body is completely out of balance and not able to self
> > > > > > regulate.
>
> > > > > Self regulation is a myth. Before modern medicine people would just
> > > > > bloody die of the most simple thing. Evolution has not equipped us
> > > > > well enough. In a natural environment child mortality is massive, and
> > > > > longevity is much shorter.
> > > > > In H/g societies during the Palaeolithic life expectancy was around 40
> > > > > years.
>
> > > > > > Our DNA has a natural evolution of change that allows our conscious
> > > > > > evolution. Because we have the science to manipulate it doesn't
> > > > > > mean
> > > > > > it is always beneficial for us to do so.
>
> > > > > But it is mostly.
>
> > > > > > On Jan 6, 11:36 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > We've known for a long time that our antibody-forming system
> > > > > > > adapts
> > > > > > > itself to every microbe we encounter. What we didn't understand
> > > > > > > fully
> > > > > > > is exactly how this happens. Now that we know, we can begin to
> > > > > > > find
> > > > > > > ways to manipulate this process so illnesses can be prevented or
> > > > > > > made
> > > > > > > significantly less dangerous.
>
> > > > > > > When the body encounters a foreign invader, like a virus or
> > > > > > > bacterium,
> > > > > > > it immediately begins to find a way to neutralize it by means of
> > > > > > > cellular or antibody-mediated defenses. Part of the process
> > > > > > > involves
> > > > > > > tailoring the genes that code for antibodies to specific viruses
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > bacteria. Researchers have known that this involves two types of
> > > > > > > genetic manipulation. One type changes a single gene at a time,
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > the other type changes multiple genes at the same time. Multiple
> > > > > > > genes can be modified simultaneously to make the "evolutionary
> > > > > > > leap"
> > > > > > > necessary to stave off infection. You treat DNA responsible for
> > > > > > > making
> > > > > > > antibody molecules with an enzyme, called activation-induced
> > > > > > > deaminase, while the DNA copies RNA polymerase. Like a scanner,
> > > > > > > RNA
> > > > > > > polymerase moves across the DNA to copy it. When this scanning
> > > > > > > process
> > > > > > > moves smoothly, there were either single mutations or no
> > > > > > > mutations.
> > > > > > > We can now stall the RNA polymerase (under certain conditions) as
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > "scans", causing cluster mutations in the DNA, adapting our
> > > > > > > antibodies for a rapid and effective response to a new microbial
> > > > > > > invader. Germs are mutating all over the place - we can now
> > > > > > > "plan"
> > > > > > > mutations of our own to save us as global warming makes infectious
> > > > > > > diseases one the biggest threats to human survival. Personally, I
> > > > > > > would rather leap into a new form of existence much more sensible
> > > > > > > than
> > > > > > > the human one, No work seems to being done on this.
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