On Jan 7, 9:29 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
> For the cow's puke sake, chazwin, please give a scientifically correct
> definition of "natural environment", say, in contrast to an unnatural
> environment. Life expectancy figures will be our next topic then.
I was refering to a time, 99% of human history, when humans were
hunting and gathering, and depended on the vicissitudes of the natural
environment.
I thought that was quite obvious.
>
> On 7 Jan., 20:22, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > This seems to me to be the typical anti-science model that is
> > pervading our "alternative" consciousness. It is unfortunate and
> > dangerous as most proponents choose to ignore the massive advances
> > that have been made and would throw the baby out with the bath-water.
> > This has led to an increase in some diseases that were sorted because
> > people have been failing to participate in inoculation programmes.
>
> > On Jan 7, 2:39 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > I think this is just a longer extension of the old, broken medical
> > > model - we have to "do" something (take something, manipulate
> > > something, remove something, add a device to the body) every time we
> > > are uncomfortable with the way it is performing. The body heals
> > > itself naturally and often has what is sometimes referred to as
> > > "healing crisis" which can appear to be "illness" but is, instead, the
> > > natural function of the bodies adaptation and change function. By
> > > traumatizing the body with a medical interruption to this process
> > > instead of allowing the body its natural healing cycles, we delay or
> > > destroy the healing. I am not talking about mending a broken bone or
> > > life saving measures (although some of what is considered life saving
> > > I find questionable.) Take the bacterial strep pneumonia, a bacteria
> > > found everywhere that lives dormant in everyone. Occasionally, and we
> > > don't know why, it takes over the body and in a very short time can be
> > > fatal. Yet we live peacefully with it in most cases.
>
> > > I don't think we understand enough about the true nature of illness to
> > > start changing our DNA to stop it. Our current model of illness
> > > intervention (pharmaceuticals and surgeries) has prolonged life but
> > > the quality of that life is questionable and it is highly doubtful
> > > that it makes us any healthier overall. In fact, quite the opposite.
> > > The healthiest people I know are the ones that take no pills on a
> > > daily basis. The unhealthiest are the ones (and there are MANY) that
> > > take handfuls each day.
>
> > You are mistaking cause and effect. Unhealthy people need the pills
> > because they are unhealthy. Old people get to a stage when pills are
> > what keep them going. When I say old I mean 40+. Life expectancy has
> > massively increased with the advent of modern medicine.
> > I am now 48.
> > I get gout (hereditry), for which I can choose to take allapurinol OR,
> > my choice, avoid protien rich food. I have managed to avoid the drug
> > by taking care of my diet. But however careful I am the number of
> > attacks is getting more frequent.
> > I also have a gall stone. To avoid liver pain I have to keep my fat
> > intake to a minimum. This I do with some success.
> > I also have acid reflux. This is caused by a diet with too much
> > carbohydrate.
> > I think you can see where this is going.
> > I can't survive on boiled cabbage and lettuce. So I treat the acid
> > with Lansoprazole and seem to be doing okay.
> > Getting cancer fucked up this carefully conceived and balanced
> > strategy.
>
> > Currently, our medical model catches people
>
> > > as soon as they begin to use the system - antibiotics to treat colds,
> > > if the lungs are wheezing, prescribe an inhaler,
>
> > As there is no other alternative to Asthma, I think the inhaler route
> > is great. I have one at hand at all times.
>
> > a mild heart
>
> > > palpitation, heart medication, anxiety, anti anxiety pills... on and
> > > on until the body is completely out of balance and not able to self
> > > regulate.
>
> > Self regulation is a myth. Before modern medicine people would just
> > bloody die of the most simple thing. Evolution has not equipped us
> > well enough. In a natural environment child mortality is massive, and
> > longevity is much shorter.
> > In H/g societies during the Palaeolithic life expectancy was around 40
> > years.
>
> > > Our DNA has a natural evolution of change that allows our conscious
> > > evolution. Because we have the science to manipulate it doesn't mean
> > > it is always beneficial for us to do so.
>
> > But it is mostly.
>
> > > On Jan 6, 11:36 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > We've known for a long time that our antibody-forming system adapts
> > > > itself to every microbe we encounter. What we didn't understand fully
> > > > is exactly how this happens. Now that we know, we can begin to find
> > > > ways to manipulate this process so illnesses can be prevented or made
> > > > significantly less dangerous.
>
> > > > When the body encounters a foreign invader, like a virus or bacterium,
> > > > it immediately begins to find a way to neutralize it by means of
> > > > cellular or antibody-mediated defenses. Part of the process involves
> > > > tailoring the genes that code for antibodies to specific viruses or
> > > > bacteria. Researchers have known that this involves two types of
> > > > genetic manipulation. One type changes a single gene at a time, and
> > > > the other type changes multiple genes at the same time. Multiple
> > > > genes can be modified simultaneously to make the "evolutionary leap"
> > > > necessary to stave off infection. You treat DNA responsible for making
> > > > antibody molecules with an enzyme, called activation-induced
> > > > deaminase, while the DNA copies RNA polymerase. Like a scanner, RNA
> > > > polymerase moves across the DNA to copy it. When this scanning process
> > > > moves smoothly, there were either single mutations or no mutations.
> > > > We can now stall the RNA polymerase (under certain conditions) as it
> > > > "scans", causing cluster mutations in the DNA, adapting our
> > > > antibodies for a rapid and effective response to a new microbial
> > > > invader. Germs are mutating all over the place - we can now "plan"
> > > > mutations of our own to save us as global warming makes infectious
> > > > diseases one the biggest threats to human survival. Personally, I
> > > > would rather leap into a new form of existence much more sensible than
> > > > the human one, No work seems to being done on this.
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