Ah, one of my favorite cretaceous love poems... On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 2:28 PM, frantheman <[email protected]>wrote:
> > Still, with a bit of luck, George is relaxing before the coast of > Maine, reading T.S. Eliot: > "I should have been a pair of ragged claws > Scuttling across the floors of silent seas." > > On 12 Jan., 20:00, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > Truth is the story has mostly been a huge belly laugh for me and > > others. I'm not living in a state of irritation and also the word > > might be misconstrued or your frame of reference for it may differ > > which seems likely according to your response. I'm sure there is a > > better description for my initial feeling, possibly "baffled" which is > > defined as........... > > 1. to confuse, bewilder, or perplex: He was baffled by the technical > > language of the instructions. > > 2. to frustrate or confound; thwart by creating confusion or > > bewilderment. > > I definitely would not categorize my comments as Vitriol as there > > existed not a smidgen of hatred. > > > > Chris brought up an interesting aspect as well, that being the lobster > > lacks the proper defense mechanism to protect itself from predation. > > Unknown of course is what the lobster is doing right now, possibly > > hiding in some rocks waiting for the food to drop down, while consumed > > with fear. But I'm sure we will never find out. I don't think Ms > > Newkirk took the time to think it all through and instead reacted > > emotionally and as you say "to make herself feel better". > > > > Truth is patting herself on the back is not what it is all about and > > should not have anything to do with it. I don't think that was her > > motive but more so she thought she was doing the right thing. The > > customers somehow personally identified with the lobster and perceived > > that the lobster was miserable in his long time habitat and > > consequently experienced a sense of relief following by calling > > peta. The deportation of George may have provided them and Newkirk > > some relief but sadly the odds of survival are not in George's > > favor. We don't even know if he will be able to adapt to the new > > conditions concerning water pollutants and the overall condition of > > the water. > > > > It was a dumb move. If I were at the restaurant I wouldn't have had > > the slightest inkling of worry for the lobster. > > > > On Jan 12, 12:01 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > It's an interesting thing you touch upon there SD. > > > > > Yes I agree, there are many, many, many things that irritate me, and > > > I'm constantly supprised by the vitorol expelled by irritated people, > > > when they are umm well iritated. > > > > > The interesting thing though is how this seems to effect even the most > > > cerebarel of people. In your initial post you leveid the charge of > > > stupidity at Ms Newkirk, and most of us here agreed with you. > > > > > Those that did not seemed to do so because I guess her actions did not > > > irritate us, and so we had a chance to examine things from her point > > > of view. > > > > > Yes, interesting indeed! > > > > > On 12 Jan, 14:32, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > The gesture is fine, the compassion is understandable, the action > that > > > > ensued based upon the compassionate gesture is illogical. What was > > > > wrong with letting the lobster live out his days in the tank that > > > > sustained him all these years? George was obviously the restaurant > > > > mascot and not destined to be boiled alive. > > > > > > My post is not an attack on compassion for animals. I hope everyone > > > > would understand that. My pets live as good as I do and get the best > > > > of care. I have all the compassion in the world for mistreated > > > > animals but the lobster was not mistreated and probably ate better > > > > than lobsters in the wild. > > > > Perhaps stupid is not the appropriate word for Ms Newkirk and I would > > > > strike that remark from my first post if it was editable, which it > > > > doesn't seem to be, so I apologize for any hurt feelings. Of course > I > > > > still find the action irritating. > > > > > > On Jan 11, 11:26 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Any woman stupid enough to make this lobster dash might just be > stupid > > > > > enough to live with one of us Slip, presumably out of pity. You > > > > > should not be so dismissive my friend! I rather approve of the > > > > > gesture, futile or not. > > > > > > > On 11 Jan, 23:46, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > George the Giant lobster gazed delightfully about the ocean's > > > > > > surroundings > > > > > > Peacefully absorbing all the abundance of aquatic life > > > > > > Thanks to the auspices of the petty peta people I am here thought > > > > > > George > > > > > > Let me mingle within this new menagerie and make friends saith > George > > > > > > the giant lobster > > > > > > Amidst the salty sandy bottom George danced in delight > > > > > > Along came an aged Codfish who decided to dance with George > > > > > > Love blossomed and George was consumed > > > > > > A fisherman luckily caught the cod one cold winter day > > > > > > He cooked it on a bed of coals and upon eating it began to say > > > > > > "By George this Cod tastes like Lobster" > > > > > > > > Slip,s Slippery Slant > > > > > > > > On Jan 11, 11:59 am, "Chris Jenkins" <[email protected] > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I wonder what predator made quick work of the senior citizen > lobster with no > > > > > > > evasive experience which dropped into its back yard... > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I remember your piece on Ken Wilbur, the past, present and > future > > > > > > > > aspects of introspective life regressions. You might remember > my > > > > > > > > reference to Arnold Patent. The spectrum of spiral dynamics > merely > > > > > > > > presents a revised version of existing models and curves. > Less > > > > > > > > connotation is not non connotative, perhaps it is less > abrasive > > > > > > > > through colorization. In this case of peta compassion I find > the > > > > > > > > action illogical. Considering the end result of logic > analysis being > > > > > > > > black or white with some grey area, the action appears to be, > at least > > > > > > > > for the lobster, Black Friday. In comparison, would a deer > held in > > > > > > > > captivity for 10 years achieve longevity through it's release > into the > > > > > > > > forest during hunting season? I'm not sure I would class the > woman's > > > > > > > > action as a means of getting attention but a misguided sense > of the > > > > > > > > peta mission. > > > > > > > > > > A portion of the peta mission statement reads: > > > > > > > > PETA focuses its attention on the four areas in which the > largest > > > > > > > > numbers of animals suffer the most intensely for the longest > periods > > > > > > > > of time: on factory farms, in laboratories, in the clothing > trade, and > > > > > > > > in the entertainment industry. We also work on a variety of > other > > > > > > > > issues, including the cruel killing of beavers, birds and > other > > > > > > > > "pests," and the abuse of backyard dogs. > > > > > > > > > > All that makes sense, but focusing attention on a lobster > "living very > > > > > > > > well" for years in a seafood restaurant tank lacks the > indication of > > > > > > > > abusive treatment. Fact is the lobster might not have had > such a long > > > > > > > > life if it were not for the great care provided by the > restaurant, > > > > > > > > kudos to the City Crab and Seafood Restaurant!! I'll be in NY > this > > > > > > > > summer and I'm going to make a point of going to the > restaurant to > > > > > > > > congratulate the owner. I wonder what the two customers are > about to > > > > > > > > call in such an "Alert" to peta and what unfortunate creature > had to > > > > > > > > meet it's early demise to accommodate their dinner request. > I guess > > > > > > > > everyone should take their pet turtles and reptiles and dump > them out > > > > > > > > in the wild so they could starve to death while waiting for > their next > > > > > > > > meal to drop down out of the sky. > > > > > > > > Look, I could go on until I'm Blue in the face! > > > > > > > > > > I do appreciate your input and sharing Molly, very colorful. > ;-) > > > > > > > > I'll bet your feeling Pink all over! What color am I? > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 11, 7:29 am, Molly Brogan < > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > The Spiral Dynamics ( > http://www.spiraldynamics.org/Graves/colors.htm > > > > > > > > > ) is a pretty good model that describes human behavior in > terms of > > > > > > > > > levels (memes) of development and ability to move between. > The Green > > > > > > > > > Meme is one that takes their identity from affiliation and > sharing. > > > > > > > > > Ken Wilber often refers to this model in his Integral > Institute work, > > > > > > > > > and has coined the phrase "Mean Green Meme" to signify > those folks who > > > > > > > > > push against other affiliations, thus forming their own > affiliation. > > > > > > > > > There seems no doubt that the behavior of a woman who would > seek > > > > > > > > > attention by driving a lobster to Maine and releasing it in > the > > > > > > > > > coastal waters is a Mean Green Meme. And there are many > other Mean > > > > > > > > > Green Memes, waiting to applaud this behavior. According > to Graves, > > > > > > > > > as a culture, the US and UK are moving into the Green Meme. > It may > > > > > > > > > seem moronic to someone who has a more evolved sense of > compassion, > > > > > > > > > but I think, even in its mean form, the behavior of the > Green Meme is > > > > > > > > > more preferable than the red or blue, that don't include > much > > > > > > > > > compassion at all. > > > > > > > > > > > I think Graves originally chose colors for his categories > because they > > > > > > > > > have less connotation of good and bad. His idea was that > we all start > > > > > > > > > our at the survival level and move up (or in times of > stress and > > > > > > > > > crisis, down) the spiral as our life evolves. All colors > shine bright > > > > > > > > > under the right conditions. > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 11, 3:55 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/10/maine.lobster.liberated/index.html?e. > > > > > > > > .. > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't that the dumbest thing you ever heard of? They > drive the > > > > > > > > > > lobster up to Maine, possibly the lobster capitol of the > USA, to give > > > > > > > > > > it freedom? > > > > > > > > > > > > PETA President Ingrid > > > > ... > > > > Erfahren Sie mehr ยป > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
