It's an interesting thing you touch upon there SD. Yes I agree, there are many, many, many things that irritate me, and I'm constantly supprised by the vitorol expelled by irritated people, when they are umm well iritated.
The interesting thing though is how this seems to effect even the most cerebarel of people. In your initial post you leveid the charge of stupidity at Ms Newkirk, and most of us here agreed with you. Those that did not seemed to do so because I guess her actions did not irritate us, and so we had a chance to examine things from her point of view. Yes, interesting indeed! On 12 Jan, 14:32, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > The gesture is fine, the compassion is understandable, the action that > ensued based upon the compassionate gesture is illogical. What was > wrong with letting the lobster live out his days in the tank that > sustained him all these years? George was obviously the restaurant > mascot and not destined to be boiled alive. > > My post is not an attack on compassion for animals. I hope everyone > would understand that. My pets live as good as I do and get the best > of care. I have all the compassion in the world for mistreated > animals but the lobster was not mistreated and probably ate better > than lobsters in the wild. > Perhaps stupid is not the appropriate word for Ms Newkirk and I would > strike that remark from my first post if it was editable, which it > doesn't seem to be, so I apologize for any hurt feelings. Of course I > still find the action irritating. > > On Jan 11, 11:26 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Any woman stupid enough to make this lobster dash might just be stupid > > enough to live with one of us Slip, presumably out of pity. You > > should not be so dismissive my friend! I rather approve of the > > gesture, futile or not. > > > On 11 Jan, 23:46, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > George the Giant lobster gazed delightfully about the ocean's > > > surroundings > > > Peacefully absorbing all the abundance of aquatic life > > > Thanks to the auspices of the petty peta people I am here thought > > > George > > > Let me mingle within this new menagerie and make friends saith George > > > the giant lobster > > > Amidst the salty sandy bottom George danced in delight > > > Along came an aged Codfish who decided to dance with George > > > Love blossomed and George was consumed > > > A fisherman luckily caught the cod one cold winter day > > > He cooked it on a bed of coals and upon eating it began to say > > > "By George this Cod tastes like Lobster" > > > > Slip,s Slippery Slant > > > > On Jan 11, 11:59 am, "Chris Jenkins" <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > I wonder what predator made quick work of the senior citizen lobster > > > > with no > > > > evasive experience which dropped into its back yard... > > > > > On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I remember your piece on Ken Wilbur, the past, present and future > > > > > aspects of introspective life regressions. You might remember my > > > > > reference to Arnold Patent. The spectrum of spiral dynamics merely > > > > > presents a revised version of existing models and curves. Less > > > > > connotation is not non connotative, perhaps it is less abrasive > > > > > through colorization. In this case of peta compassion I find the > > > > > action illogical. Considering the end result of logic analysis being > > > > > black or white with some grey area, the action appears to be, at least > > > > > for the lobster, Black Friday. In comparison, would a deer held in > > > > > captivity for 10 years achieve longevity through it's release into the > > > > > forest during hunting season? I'm not sure I would class the woman's > > > > > action as a means of getting attention but a misguided sense of the > > > > > peta mission. > > > > > > A portion of the peta mission statement reads: > > > > > PETA focuses its attention on the four areas in which the largest > > > > > numbers of animals suffer the most intensely for the longest periods > > > > > of time: on factory farms, in laboratories, in the clothing trade, and > > > > > in the entertainment industry. We also work on a variety of other > > > > > issues, including the cruel killing of beavers, birds and other > > > > > "pests," and the abuse of backyard dogs. > > > > > > All that makes sense, but focusing attention on a lobster "living very > > > > > well" for years in a seafood restaurant tank lacks the indication of > > > > > abusive treatment. Fact is the lobster might not have had such a long > > > > > life if it were not for the great care provided by the restaurant, > > > > > kudos to the City Crab and Seafood Restaurant!! I'll be in NY this > > > > > summer and I'm going to make a point of going to the restaurant to > > > > > congratulate the owner. I wonder what the two customers are about to > > > > > call in such an "Alert" to peta and what unfortunate creature had to > > > > > meet it's early demise to accommodate their dinner request. I guess > > > > > everyone should take their pet turtles and reptiles and dump them out > > > > > in the wild so they could starve to death while waiting for their next > > > > > meal to drop down out of the sky. > > > > > Look, I could go on until I'm Blue in the face! > > > > > > I do appreciate your input and sharing Molly, very colorful. ;-) > > > > > I'll bet your feeling Pink all over! What color am I? > > > > > > On Jan 11, 7:29 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > The Spiral Dynamics (http://www.spiraldynamics.org/Graves/colors.htm > > > > > > ) is a pretty good model that describes human behavior in terms of > > > > > > levels (memes) of development and ability to move between. The Green > > > > > > Meme is one that takes their identity from affiliation and sharing. > > > > > > Ken Wilber often refers to this model in his Integral Institute > > > > > > work, > > > > > > and has coined the phrase "Mean Green Meme" to signify those folks > > > > > > who > > > > > > push against other affiliations, thus forming their own affiliation. > > > > > > There seems no doubt that the behavior of a woman who would seek > > > > > > attention by driving a lobster to Maine and releasing it in the > > > > > > coastal waters is a Mean Green Meme. And there are many other Mean > > > > > > Green Memes, waiting to applaud this behavior. According to Graves, > > > > > > as a culture, the US and UK are moving into the Green Meme. It may > > > > > > seem moronic to someone who has a more evolved sense of compassion, > > > > > > but I think, even in its mean form, the behavior of the Green Meme > > > > > > is > > > > > > more preferable than the red or blue, that don't include much > > > > > > compassion at all. > > > > > > > I think Graves originally chose colors for his categories because > > > > > > they > > > > > > have less connotation of good and bad. His idea was that we all > > > > > > start > > > > > > our at the survival level and move up (or in times of stress and > > > > > > crisis, down) the spiral as our life evolves. All colors shine > > > > > > bright > > > > > > under the right conditions. > > > > > > > On Jan 11, 3:55 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/10/maine.lobster.liberated/index.html?e. > > > > > .. > > > > > > > > Isn't that the dumbest thing you ever heard of? They drive the > > > > > > > lobster up to Maine, possibly the lobster capitol of the USA, to > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > it freedom? > > > > > > > > PETA President Ingrid Newkirk said in a statement, "We applaud > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > folks at City Crab and Seafood for their compassionate decision to > > > > > > > allow this noble old-timer to live out his days in freedom and > > > > > > > peace. > > > > > > > "We hope that their kind gesture serves as an example that these > > > > > > > intriguing animals don't deserve to be confined to tiny tanks or > > > > > > > boiled alive." > > > > > > > > Doesn't the stupid woman realize that it is now just a matter of > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > before the lobster winds up in someones lobster pot? > > > > > > > Unbelievable!- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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