On 12 Jan, 19:35, "Chris Jenkins" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ah, one of my favorite cretaceous love poems...
>
Do you know any Devonian, Permian or Pre-Cambrian love poems? ;-)
Or did you mean 'crustacean'?
> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 2:28 PM, frantheman
> <[email protected]>wrote:
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> > Still, with a bit of luck, George is relaxing before the coast of
> > Maine, reading T.S. Eliot:
> > "I should have been a pair of ragged claws
> > Scuttling across the floors of silent seas."
>
> > On 12 Jan., 20:00, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Truth is the story has mostly been a huge belly laugh for me and
> > > others. I'm not living in a state of irritation and also the word
> > > might be misconstrued or your frame of reference for it may differ
> > > which seems likely according to your response. I'm sure there is a
> > > better description for my initial feeling, possibly "baffled" which is
> > > defined as...........
> > > 1. to confuse, bewilder, or perplex: He was baffled by the technical
> > > language of the instructions.
> > > 2. to frustrate or confound; thwart by creating confusion or
> > > bewilderment.
> > > I definitely would not categorize my comments as Vitriol as there
> > > existed not a smidgen of hatred.
>
> > > Chris brought up an interesting aspect as well, that being the lobster
> > > lacks the proper defense mechanism to protect itself from predation.
> > > Unknown of course is what the lobster is doing right now, possibly
> > > hiding in some rocks waiting for the food to drop down, while consumed
> > > with fear. But I'm sure we will never find out. I don't think Ms
> > > Newkirk took the time to think it all through and instead reacted
> > > emotionally and as you say "to make herself feel better".
>
> > > Truth is patting herself on the back is not what it is all about and
> > > should not have anything to do with it. I don't think that was her
> > > motive but more so she thought she was doing the right thing. The
> > > customers somehow personally identified with the lobster and perceived
> > > that the lobster was miserable in his long time habitat and
> > > consequently experienced a sense of relief following by calling
> > > peta. The deportation of George may have provided them and Newkirk
> > > some relief but sadly the odds of survival are not in George's
> > > favor. We don't even know if he will be able to adapt to the new
> > > conditions concerning water pollutants and the overall condition of
> > > the water.
>
> > > It was a dumb move. If I were at the restaurant I wouldn't have had
> > > the slightest inkling of worry for the lobster.
>
> > > On Jan 12, 12:01 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > It's an interesting thing you touch upon there SD.
>
> > > > Yes I agree, there are many, many, many things that irritate me, and
> > > > I'm constantly supprised by the vitorol expelled by irritated people,
> > > > when they are umm well iritated.
>
> > > > The interesting thing though is how this seems to effect even the most
> > > > cerebarel of people. In your initial post you leveid the charge of
> > > > stupidity at Ms Newkirk, and most of us here agreed with you.
>
> > > > Those that did not seemed to do so because I guess her actions did not
> > > > irritate us, and so we had a chance to examine things from her point
> > > > of view.
>
> > > > Yes, interesting indeed!
>
> > > > On 12 Jan, 14:32, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > The gesture is fine, the compassion is understandable, the action
> > that
> > > > > ensued based upon the compassionate gesture is illogical. What was
> > > > > wrong with letting the lobster live out his days in the tank that
> > > > > sustained him all these years? George was obviously the restaurant
> > > > > mascot and not destined to be boiled alive.
>
> > > > > My post is not an attack on compassion for animals. I hope everyone
> > > > > would understand that. My pets live as good as I do and get the best
> > > > > of care. I have all the compassion in the world for mistreated
> > > > > animals but the lobster was not mistreated and probably ate better
> > > > > than lobsters in the wild.
> > > > > Perhaps stupid is not the appropriate word for Ms Newkirk and I would
> > > > > strike that remark from my first post if it was editable, which it
> > > > > doesn't seem to be, so I apologize for any hurt feelings. Of course
> > I
> > > > > still find the action irritating.
>
> > > > > On Jan 11, 11:26 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Any woman stupid enough to make this lobster dash might just be
> > stupid
> > > > > > enough to live with one of us Slip, presumably out of pity. You
> > > > > > should not be so dismissive my friend! I rather approve of the
> > > > > > gesture, futile or not.
>
> > > > > > On 11 Jan, 23:46, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > George the Giant lobster gazed delightfully about the ocean's
> > > > > > > surroundings
> > > > > > > Peacefully absorbing all the abundance of aquatic life
> > > > > > > Thanks to the auspices of the petty peta people I am here thought
> > > > > > > George
> > > > > > > Let me mingle within this new menagerie and make friends saith
> > George
> > > > > > > the giant lobster
> > > > > > > Amidst the salty sandy bottom George danced in delight
> > > > > > > Along came an aged Codfish who decided to dance with George
> > > > > > > Love blossomed and George was consumed
> > > > > > > A fisherman luckily caught the cod one cold winter day
> > > > > > > He cooked it on a bed of coals and upon eating it began to say
> > > > > > > "By George this Cod tastes like Lobster"
>
> > > > > > > Slip,s Slippery Slant
>
> > > > > > > On Jan 11, 11:59 am, "Chris Jenkins" <[email protected]
>
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > I wonder what predator made quick work of the senior citizen
> > lobster with no
> > > > > > > > evasive experience which dropped into its back yard...
>
> > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > I remember your piece on Ken Wilbur, the past, present and
> > future
> > > > > > > > > aspects of introspective life regressions. You might remember
> > my
> > > > > > > > > reference to Arnold Patent. The spectrum of spiral dynamics
> > merely
> > > > > > > > > presents a revised version of existing models and curves.
> > Less
> > > > > > > > > connotation is not non connotative, perhaps it is less
> > abrasive
> > > > > > > > > through colorization. In this case of peta compassion I find
> > the
> > > > > > > > > action illogical. Considering the end result of logic
> > analysis being
> > > > > > > > > black or white with some grey area, the action appears to be,
> > at least
> > > > > > > > > for the lobster, Black Friday. In comparison, would a deer
> > held in
> > > > > > > > > captivity for 10 years achieve longevity through it's release
> > into the
> > > > > > > > > forest during hunting season? I'm not sure I would class the
> > woman's
> > > > > > > > > action as a means of getting attention but a misguided sense
> > of the
> > > > > > > > > peta mission.
>
> > > > > > > > > A portion of the peta mission statement reads:
> > > > > > > > > PETA focuses its attention on the four areas in which the
> > largest
> > > > > > > > > numbers of animals suffer the most intensely for the longest
> > periods
> > > > > > > > > of time: on factory farms, in laboratories, in the clothing
> > trade, and
> > > > > > > > > in the entertainment industry. We also work on a variety of
> > other
> > > > > > > > > issues, including the cruel killing of beavers, birds and
> > other
> > > > > > > > > "pests," and the abuse of backyard dogs.
>
> > > > > > > > > All that makes sense, but focusing attention on a lobster
> > "living very
> > > > > > > > > well" for years in a seafood restaurant tank lacks the
> > indication of
> > > > > > > > > abusive treatment. Fact is the lobster might not have had
> > such a long
> > > > > > > > > life if it were not for the great care provided by the
> > restaurant,
> > > > > > > > > kudos to the City Crab and Seafood Restaurant!! I'll be in NY
> > this
> > > > > > > > > summer and I'm going to make a point of going to the
> > restaurant to
> > > > > > > > > congratulate the owner. I wonder what the two customers are
> > about to
> > > > > > > > > call in such an "Alert" to peta and what unfortunate creature
> > had to
> > > > > > > > > meet it's early demise to accommodate their dinner request.
> > I guess
> > > > > > > > > everyone should take their pet turtles and reptiles and dump
> > them out
> > > > > > > > > in the wild so they could starve to death while waiting for
> > their next
> > > > > > > > > meal to drop down out of the sky.
> > > > > > > > > Look, I could go on until I'm Blue in the face!
>
> > > > > > > > > I do appreciate your input and sharing Molly, very colorful.
> > ;-)
> > > > > > > > > I'll bet your feeling Pink all over! What color am I?
>
> > > > > > > > > On Jan 11, 7:29 am, Molly Brogan <
> > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > The Spiral Dynamics (
> >http://www.spiraldynamics.org/Graves/colors.htm
> > > > > > > > > > ) is a pretty good model that describes human behavior in
> > terms of
> > > > > > > > > > levels (memes) of development and ability to move between.
> > The Green
> > > > > > > > > > Meme is one that takes their identity from affiliation and
> > sharing.
> > > > > > > > > > Ken Wilber often refers to this model in his Integral
> > Institute work,
> > > > > > > > > > and has coined the phrase "Mean Green Meme" to signify
> > those folks who
> > > > > > > > > > push against other affiliations, thus forming their own
> > affiliation.
> > > > > > > > > > There seems no doubt that the behavior of a woman who would
> > seek
> > > > > > > > > > attention by driving a lobster to Maine and releasing it in
> > the
> > > > > > > > > > coastal waters is a Mean Green Meme. And there are many
> > other Mean
> > > > > > > > > > Green Memes, waiting to applaud this behavior. According
> > to Graves,
> > > > > > > > > > as a culture, the US and UK are moving into the
>
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