I couldn't find it on Utube but there was a slue of other Greenpeace seal slaughter solicitation. I don't think they take to time to examine how many helpless animals are slaughtered daily here in the US and else where. There are chickens that are born in a box, never see the light of day, fed hormones to increase egg laying capacity until they are no longer viable and then slaughtered for food consumption.
In the United States, around ten billion animals are slaughtered every year in 5,700 slaughterhouses and processing plants <wiki There is a sick form of cruelty being practiced in the American meat industry as we speak, carried out in the name of religious fanaticism and superstition. <http://www.petitiononline.com/nokosher/ petition.html (not for the faint of heart) Young calves are slaughtered around 35 weeks for Veal. <wiki Statistics> http://www.hsus.org/farm/resources/pubs/stats_slaughter_totals.html Does not include statistics on the slaughter of fish, crustaceans, rabbits and other farmed animals for whom the USDA does not provide information, or on the slaughter of animals who are not farmed, such as equines. The USDA estimates that up to 2 million rabbits were slaughtered in 2001 in the United States. There is no more recent report than the 2002 Rabbit Industry Profile. I'm not a vegetarian at all so all this slaughter stuff doesn't really bother me. My point is that before people run around admonishing other countries and cultures for their slaughter practices, they should take a closer look in their own back yards. I guess they feel the rabbit is not as cute as the harp seal. On Jan 12, 1:13 pm, "Chris Jenkins" <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm reminded of the story of Greenpeace's nursing back to health of a > rescued baby seal, a saga which was covered voraciously by a media hungry > for human interest stories which seek to anthopomorphize animals. On the big > day of his release, they transported him to a large ice floe, and ushered > him out onto the ice, where he wriggled excitedly in front of an excited > throng, and hundreds of cameras, before an orca bellied itself onto the floe > and snatched him in its jaws, tearing him into pieces, and generally having > himself a pleasant orca lunch. > Search YouTube for the heartwrenching (or alternatively hilarious, depending > on your perspective) video. > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Truth is the story has mostly been a huge belly laugh for me and > > others. I'm not living in a state of irritation and also the word > > might be misconstrued or your frame of reference for it may differ > > which seems likely according to your response. I'm sure there is a > > better description for my initial feeling, possibly "baffled" which is > > defined as........... > > 1. to confuse, bewilder, or perplex: He was baffled by the technical > > language of the instructions. > > 2. to frustrate or confound; thwart by creating confusion or > > bewilderment. > > I definitely would not categorize my comments as Vitriol as there > > existed not a smidgen of hatred. > > > Chris brought up an interesting aspect as well, that being the lobster > > lacks the proper defense mechanism to protect itself from predation. > > Unknown of course is what the lobster is doing right now, possibly > > hiding in some rocks waiting for the food to drop down, while consumed > > with fear. But I'm sure we will never find out. I don't think Ms > > Newkirk took the time to think it all through and instead reacted > > emotionally and as you say "to make herself feel better". > > > Truth is patting herself on the back is not what it is all about and > > should not have anything to do with it. I don't think that was her > > motive but more so she thought she was doing the right thing. The > > customers somehow personally identified with the lobster and perceived > > that the lobster was miserable in his long time habitat and > > consequently experienced a sense of relief following by calling > > peta. The deportation of George may have provided them and Newkirk > > some relief but sadly the odds of survival are not in George's > > favor. We don't even know if he will be able to adapt to the new > > conditions concerning water pollutants and the overall condition of > > the water. > > > It was a dumb move. If I were at the restaurant I wouldn't have had > > the slightest inkling of worry for the lobster. > > > On Jan 12, 12:01 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > It's an interesting thing you touch upon there SD. > > > > Yes I agree, there are many, many, many things that irritate me, and > > > I'm constantly supprised by the vitorol expelled by irritated people, > > > when they are umm well iritated. > > > > The interesting thing though is how this seems to effect even the most > > > cerebarel of people. In your initial post you leveid the charge of > > > stupidity at Ms Newkirk, and most of us here agreed with you. > > > > Those that did not seemed to do so because I guess her actions did not > > > irritate us, and so we had a chance to examine things from her point > > > of view. > > > > Yes, interesting indeed! > > > > On 12 Jan, 14:32, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The gesture is fine, the compassion is understandable, the action that > > > > ensued based upon the compassionate gesture is illogical. What was > > > > wrong with letting the lobster live out his days in the tank that > > > > sustained him all these years? George was obviously the restaurant > > > > mascot and not destined to be boiled alive. > > > > > My post is not an attack on compassion for animals. I hope everyone > > > > would understand that. My pets live as good as I do and get the best > > > > of care. I have all the compassion in the world for mistreated > > > > animals but the lobster was not mistreated and probably ate better > > > > than lobsters in the wild. > > > > Perhaps stupid is not the appropriate word for Ms Newkirk and I would > > > > strike that remark from my first post if it was editable, which it > > > > doesn't seem to be, so I apologize for any hurt feelings. Of course I > > > > still find the action irritating. > > > > > On Jan 11, 11:26 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Any woman stupid enough to make this lobster dash might just be > > stupid > > > > > enough to live with one of us Slip, presumably out of pity. You > > > > > should not be so dismissive my friend! I rather approve of the > > > > > gesture, futile or not. > > > > > > On 11 Jan, 23:46, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > George the Giant lobster gazed delightfully about the ocean's > > > > > > surroundings > > > > > > Peacefully absorbing all the abundance of aquatic life > > > > > > Thanks to the auspices of the petty peta people I am here thought > > > > > > George > > > > > > Let me mingle within this new menagerie and make friends saith > > George > > > > > > the giant lobster > > > > > > Amidst the salty sandy bottom George danced in delight > > > > > > Along came an aged Codfish who decided to dance with George > > > > > > Love blossomed and George was consumed > > > > > > A fisherman luckily caught the cod one cold winter day > > > > > > He cooked it on a bed of coals and upon eating it began to say > > > > > > "By George this Cod tastes like Lobster" > > > > > > > Slip,s Slippery Slant > > > > > > > On Jan 11, 11:59 am, "Chris Jenkins" <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I wonder what predator made quick work of the senior citizen > > lobster with no > > > > > > > evasive experience which dropped into its back yard... > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I remember your piece on Ken Wilbur, the past, present and > > future > > > > > > > > aspects of introspective life regressions. You might remember > > my > > > > > > > > reference to Arnold Patent. The spectrum of spiral dynamics > > merely > > > > > > > > presents a revised version of existing models and curves. Less > > > > > > > > connotation is not non connotative, perhaps it is less abrasive > > > > > > > > through colorization. In this case of peta compassion I find > > the > > > > > > > > action illogical. Considering the end result of logic analysis > > being > > > > > > > > black or white with some grey area, the action appears to be, > > at least > > > > > > > > for the lobster, Black Friday. In comparison, would a deer > > held in > > > > > > > > captivity for 10 years achieve longevity through it's release > > into the > > > > > > > > forest during hunting season? I'm not sure I would class the > > woman's > > > > > > > > action as a means of getting attention but a misguided sense of > > the > > > > > > > > peta mission. > > > > > > > > > A portion of the peta mission statement reads: > > > > > > > > PETA focuses its attention on the four areas in which the > > largest > > > > > > > > numbers of animals suffer the most intensely for the longest > > periods > > > > > > > > of time: on factory farms, in laboratories, in the clothing > > trade, and > > > > > > > > in the entertainment industry. We also work on a variety of > > other > > > > > > > > issues, including the cruel killing of beavers, birds and other > > > > > > > > "pests," and the abuse of backyard dogs. > > > > > > > > > All that makes sense, but focusing attention on a lobster > > "living very > > > > > > > > well" for years in a seafood restaurant tank lacks the > > indication of > > > > > > > > abusive treatment. Fact is the lobster might not have had such > > a long > > > > > > > > life if it were not for the great care provided by the > > restaurant, > > > > > > > > kudos to the City Crab and Seafood Restaurant!! I'll be in NY > > this > > > > > > > > summer and I'm going to make a point of going to the restaurant > > to > > > > > > > > congratulate the owner. I wonder what the two customers are > > about to > > > > > > > > call in such an "Alert" to peta and what unfortunate creature > > had to > > > > > > > > meet it's early demise to accommodate their dinner request. I > > guess > > > > > > > > everyone should take their pet turtles and reptiles and dump > > them out > > > > > > > > in the wild so they could starve to death while waiting for > > their next > > > > > > > > meal to drop down out of the sky. > > > > > > > > Look, I could go on until I'm Blue in the face! > > > > > > > > > I do appreciate your input and sharing Molly, very colorful. > > ;-) > > > > > > > > I'll bet your feeling Pink all over! What color am I? > > > > > > > > > On Jan 11, 7:29 am, Molly Brogan < > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > The Spiral Dynamics ( > >http://www.spiraldynamics.org/Graves/colors.htm > > > > > > > > > ) is a pretty good model that describes human behavior in > > terms of > > > > > > > > > levels (memes) of development and ability to move between. > > The Green > > > > > > > > > Meme is one that takes their identity from affiliation and > > sharing. > > > > > > > > > Ken Wilber often refers to this model in his Integral > > Institute work, > > > > > > > > > and has coined the phrase "Mean Green Meme" to signify those > > folks who > > > > > > > > > push against other affiliations, thus forming their own > > affiliation. > > > > > > > > > There seems no doubt that the behavior of a woman who would > > seek > > > > > > > > > attention by driving a lobster to Maine and releasing it in > > the > > > > > > > > > coastal waters is a Mean Green Meme. 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