On 11 Jan, 08:27, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> So where does the motive for the Atheist to convince Theists they are
> wrong come from? The theist usually has a motive such as believing
> that the non believer will find their soul in hell, or some other
> doctrine that motivates them to proselytize. What doctrine or belief
> do Atheists have that motivates them to convince the believers that
> their belief is wrong? I would imagine that a true Atheist would be
> disinterested in what the Theist believes. <<KC
>
> I think Atheists feel threatened by the historical accounts of attacks
> on non believers, the alteration of scientific studies and
> interference with political systems, all based on dogmatic belief.
> Even a loyal believer such as Galileo was condemned a heretic, his
> brilliance left to die for the sake of those wielding the power of
> theistic rule. Religious zealots have long track records of trying to
> define social mores, from the Puritans to the modern day
> Evangelicals. To what extent did religion play in the election and re-
> election of GW Bush?
> Excerpt
> from:http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/etc/synopsis.html
> "The single most reliable predictor of how a person voted in the 2000
> election was whether they went to church or to synagogue or mosque at
> least once a week," says the Southern Baptist Convention's Richard
> Land. "If they did, two-thirds of them voted for George Bush."
> Excerpt from:http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/nov/02/usa.religion
> Bush has also been accused of a 'creeping Christianization' of federal
> government programs. In September, the government made more than $60
> billion available for religious charitable groups. Critics say the
> groups will be able to use the cash to promote their religion. One
> group that benefited from previous grants was an Iowa prison project
> that entitled inmates to televisions, private bathrooms and computers
> - in return for Christian counseling.
>
> It is well noted that Bush said "I believe God wants me to be
> president." So again how much did this influence his bogus war on
> terror?
>
LOL!! Unfortunately, he was right.
> This aspect of religious influence presents a danger to social
> freedoms within a democracy. Theists do not have an inside connection
> that gives them rights to dictate "Truth".
Amen!!
>As fanaticism begins to
> dictate the officialdom of social order, intolerance towards those who
> do not follow the path of righteousness becomes the social norm.
>
And THAT is a scary scenario, for sure.
> Therefore it is a necessary motivation for Atheists to establish
> legitimacy and viability without having to proselytize.
They CAN'T proselytize without, first, logically, declaring
themselves a religion.
> To examine the annals of history pertaining to religious persecution
> can become a very nauseating endeavor. I for one believe what I
> believe and hold no ill feelings toward others whose beliefs differ
> and care not if no one else shares my belief. I certainly have
> developed a disdain for religious rhetoric from book toting bell
> ringers and parking lot preachers.
>
> On Jan 10, 10:08 pm, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The way I see it, if Atheism truly is just an absence of belief in a
> > deity, then it makes no sense for them to even label themselves. I
> > don't believe in Pink Unicorns, but I don't call my self a Unicorn
> > Atheist. I don't believe in Reincarnation either, but I don't call
> > myself a Reincarnation Atheist, and I don't storm the streets of New
> > Delhi trying to convince others that Reincarnation is a farce.
>
> > So where does the motive for the Atheist to convince Theists they are
> > wrong come from? The theist usually has a motive such as believing
> > that the non believer will find their soul in hell, or some other
> > doctrine that motivates them to proselytize. What doctrine or belief
> > do Atheists have that motivates them to convince the believers that
> > their belief is wrong? I would imagine that a true Atheist would be
> > disinterested in what the Theist believes.
>
> > I believe an Atheist's passion comes form the same place the Theist's
> > passion comes from, and that is uncertainty. It was Kierkegaard (my
> > google nickname's sake) who talked about the relationship between
> > uncertainty and passion. The level of passion is directly
> > proportionate to the level of uncertainty one has. This is why
> > Kierkegaard suggested that a believer in God should not try to prove
> > God's existence, or look for rational explanations. He believed that
> > such a task was inconsistent with what it means have Faith (passion).
>
> > On Jan 10, 3:42 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > KC! It's wonderful that you should grace us with your presence in the
> > > beginning of this new year! Have a Happy!
>
> > > The Atheist movement somehow reminds me of the gay thing. It is fine
> > > that people are what they are but why go around waving flags and
> > > banners insisting that people recognize the identity. Are "Atheist
> > > Parades" looming in the near future?
> > > Be what you are and be happy being what you are. Isn't that the best
> > > case scenario in life? Note that I'm Not saying xtians are any less
> > > culpable in my view but as well add to my observation of group
> > > proselytism.
> > > I think people dislike being alone in their chosen path and must for
> > > some reason "recruit" others in order to establish a more powerful
> > > standing in the social arena. It's the age old power trip; world
> > > domination. Those that increase in number become the ruling party.
> > > According to gruff's outdated data we still have to add the deity
> > > believer Muslims and Xtians to summarize a ratio of 2.344 to 0.933
> > > Atheists. Not including "Other" deity based groups. So Atheists
> > > still rank in the minute sector. Which reinforces my assertion that
> > > there is a greater assumption of deity over non deity in the world.
> > > Let's face it, the existence of life remains enigmatic and people want
> > > answers; ergo, anyone who can offer something even remotely believable
> > > can instantly create a following, however large or small.
>
> > > Now that I have all that said and done I would like to tell you all
> > > that I have discovered a serum that stops the aging process. I
> > > guarantee that you will feel younger the instant you use it. Just
> > > send $19.95 plus shipping and handling to receive you order. But
> > > Wait!!! If you order now I will double the order. That's a
> > > $12,000,000.00 value for just $19.95. But that's not all!! Use your
> > > credit card and I will also send you the lifetime supply guarantee.
> > > You will never run out for the rest of your life. You may still die
> > > tomorrow but you will die feeling younger. Guaranteed!! Supplies
> > > limited! Order NOW!!! Call 1-800- ima sucka! Must be 18 or over!
> > > Not sold in stores!
>
> > > Molly>>Let's laugh 'till we cry, nothin's better... You got that
> > > right!! <<Slip
>
> > > On Jan 10, 12:30 pm, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Where do Atheists find such passion?
>
> > > > On Jan 9, 10:07 am, "Ian Pollard" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Two questions I've been mulling over...
>
> > > > > 1. The recent atheist bus campaign in London, saw buses with the
> > > > > slogan
> > > > > "There is probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."
> > > > > Members
> > > > > of Christian Voice -- in attempt to have the adverts removed -- have
> > > > > complained to the Advertising Standards Authority about the accuracy
> > > > > of this
> > > > > slogan. Would it be correct for atheists to now complain about the
> > > > > accuracy
> > > > > of the commercial activities of Christian churches (such as the Alpha
> > > > > Course)? Or, in reality, are said atheists far too busy arguing on
> > > > > Internet
> > > > > forums about whether the slogan is in fact *agnostic* and what the
> > > > > most
> > > > > accurate meaning of the word "probably" is?
>
> > > > > 2. Should John Travolta be brought to trial for child neglect
> > > > > following the
> > > > > death of his son? Reports are claiming that his son, who suffered from
> > > > > autism, was denied prescription drugs and psychiatric counselling for
> > > > > his
> > > > > illness (that could have helped control his seizures) because of his
> > > > > father's Scientology beliefs.
>
> > > > > Happy New Year!
>
> > > > > Ian- Hide quoted text -
>
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