They CAN'T proselytize without, first, logically, declaring themselves a religion. < Pat
Really, though, it is a "Non-Religion". Atheism just needs to be recognized as such. Would a country be better run by a administration comprised completely of Atheists or would it present a condition of reverse bias? On Jan 13, 6:30 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On 11 Jan, 08:27, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > So where does the motive for the Atheist to convince Theists they are > > wrong come from? The theist usually has a motive such as believing > > that the non believer will find their soul in hell, or some other > > doctrine that motivates them to proselytize. What doctrine or belief > > do Atheists have that motivates them to convince the believers that > > their belief is wrong? I would imagine that a true Atheist would be > > disinterested in what the Theist believes. <<KC > > > I think Atheists feel threatened by the historical accounts of attacks > > on non believers, the alteration of scientific studies and > > interference with political systems, all based on dogmatic belief. > > Even a loyal believer such as Galileo was condemned a heretic, his > > brilliance left to die for the sake of those wielding the power of > > theistic rule. Religious zealots have long track records of trying to > > define social mores, from the Puritans to the modern day > > Evangelicals. To what extent did religion play in the election and re- > > election of GW Bush? > > Excerpt > > from:http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/etc/synopsis.html > > "The single most reliable predictor of how a person voted in the 2000 > > election was whether they went to church or to synagogue or mosque at > > least once a week," says the Southern Baptist Convention's Richard > > Land. "If they did, two-thirds of them voted for George Bush." > > Excerpt from:http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/nov/02/usa.religion > > Bush has also been accused of a 'creeping Christianization' of federal > > government programs. In September, the government made more than $60 > > billion available for religious charitable groups. Critics say the > > groups will be able to use the cash to promote their religion. One > > group that benefited from previous grants was an Iowa prison project > > that entitled inmates to televisions, private bathrooms and computers > > - in return for Christian counseling. > > > It is well noted that Bush said "I believe God wants me to be > > president." So again how much did this influence his bogus war on > > terror? > > LOL!! Unfortunately, he was right. > > > This aspect of religious influence presents a danger to social > > freedoms within a democracy. Theists do not have an inside connection > > that gives them rights to dictate "Truth". > > Amen!! > > >As fanaticism begins to > > dictate the officialdom of social order, intolerance towards those who > > do not follow the path of righteousness becomes the social norm. > > And THAT is a scary scenario, for sure. > > > Therefore it is a necessary motivation for Atheists to establish > > legitimacy and viability without having to proselytize. > > They CAN'T proselytize without, first, logically, declaring > themselves a religion. > > > To examine the annals of history pertaining to religious persecution > > can become a very nauseating endeavor. I for one believe what I > > believe and hold no ill feelings toward others whose beliefs differ > > and care not if no one else shares my belief. I certainly have > > developed a disdain for religious rhetoric from book toting bell > > ringers and parking lot preachers. > > > On Jan 10, 10:08 pm, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The way I see it, if Atheism truly is just an absence of belief in a > > > deity, then it makes no sense for them to even label themselves. I > > > don't believe in Pink Unicorns, but I don't call my self a Unicorn > > > Atheist. I don't believe in Reincarnation either, but I don't call > > > myself a Reincarnation Atheist, and I don't storm the streets of New > > > Delhi trying to convince others that Reincarnation is a farce. > > > > So where does the motive for the Atheist to convince Theists they are > > > wrong come from? The theist usually has a motive such as believing > > > that the non believer will find their soul in hell, or some other > > > doctrine that motivates them to proselytize. What doctrine or belief > > > do Atheists have that motivates them to convince the believers that > > > their belief is wrong? I would imagine that a true Atheist would be > > > disinterested in what the Theist believes. > > > > I believe an Atheist's passion comes form the same place the Theist's > > > passion comes from, and that is uncertainty. It was Kierkegaard (my > > > google nickname's sake) who talked about the relationship between > > > uncertainty and passion. The level of passion is directly > > > proportionate to the level of uncertainty one has. This is why > > > Kierkegaard suggested that a believer in God should not try to prove > > > God's existence, or look for rational explanations. He believed that > > > such a task was inconsistent with what it means have Faith (passion). > > > > On Jan 10, 3:42 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > KC! It's wonderful that you should grace us with your presence in the > > > > beginning of this new year! Have a Happy! > > > > > The Atheist movement somehow reminds me of the gay thing. It is fine > > > > that people are what they are but why go around waving flags and > > > > banners insisting that people recognize the identity. Are "Atheist > > > > Parades" looming in the near future? > > > > Be what you are and be happy being what you are. Isn't that the best > > > > case scenario in life? Note that I'm Not saying xtians are any less > > > > culpable in my view but as well add to my observation of group > > > > proselytism. > > > > I think people dislike being alone in their chosen path and must for > > > > some reason "recruit" others in order to establish a more powerful > > > > standing in the social arena. It's the age old power trip; world > > > > domination. Those that increase in number become the ruling party. > > > > According to gruff's outdated data we still have to add the deity > > > > believer Muslims and Xtians to summarize a ratio of 2.344 to 0.933 > > > > Atheists. Not including "Other" deity based groups. So Atheists > > > > still rank in the minute sector. Which reinforces my assertion that > > > > there is a greater assumption of deity over non deity in the world. > > > > Let's face it, the existence of life remains enigmatic and people want > > > > answers; ergo, anyone who can offer something even remotely believable > > > > can instantly create a following, however large or small. > > > > > Now that I have all that said and done I would like to tell you all > > > > that I have discovered a serum that stops the aging process. I > > > > guarantee that you will feel younger the instant you use it. Just > > > > send $19.95 plus shipping and handling to receive you order. But > > > > Wait!!! If you order now I will double the order. That's a > > > > $12,000,000.00 value for just $19.95. But that's not all!! Use your > > > > credit card and I will also send you the lifetime supply guarantee. > > > > You will never run out for the rest of your life. You may still die > > > > tomorrow but you will die feeling younger. Guaranteed!! Supplies > > > > limited! Order NOW!!! Call 1-800- ima sucka! Must be 18 or over! > > > > Not sold in stores! > > > > > Molly>>Let's laugh 'till we cry, nothin's better... You got that > > > > right!! <<Slip > > > > > On Jan 10, 12:30 pm, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Where do Atheists find such passion? > > > > > > On Jan 9, 10:07 am, "Ian Pollard" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Two questions I've been mulling over... > > > > > > > 1. The recent atheist bus campaign in London, saw buses with the > > > > > > slogan > > > > > > "There is probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life." > > > > > > Members > > > > > > of Christian Voice -- in attempt to have the adverts removed -- have > > > > > > complained to the Advertising Standards Authority about the > > > > > > accuracy of this > > > > > > slogan. Would it be correct for atheists to now complain about the > > > > > > accuracy > > > > > > of the commercial activities of Christian churches (such as the > > > > > > Alpha > > > > > > Course)? Or, in reality, are said atheists far too busy arguing on > > > > > > Internet > > > > > > forums about whether the slogan is in fact *agnostic* and what the > > > > > > most > > > > > > accurate meaning of the word "probably" is? > > > > > > > 2. Should John Travolta be brought to trial for child neglect > > > > > > following the > > > > > > death of his son? Reports are claiming that his son, who suffered > > > > > > from > > > > > > autism, was denied prescription drugs and psychiatric counselling > > > > > > for his > > > > > > illness (that could have helped control his seizures) because of his > > > > > > father's Scientology beliefs. > > > > > > > Happy New Year! > > > > > > > Ian- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
