Hello Slip Disc, and all others, I'm returning to this topic a bit late... it looks as though everyone has had their fill of it, at least for a while. I've been preoccupied with some minor but concerning personal things, that I won't get into.... Anyway, I remember the Military-Industrial Complex Observation made by Eisenhower.... a few years before my time, I was stl a pre-teen when he said it, but I remember the effect that the whole arguement had especially during the Vietnam War era. I don't discount it... the association between the Military and Capitalist Greed.... War is "profitable"... there are even some nowadays who are saying (again) that the way "we" got out of the Great Depression was throught WWII..... Sort of a sobering ad cautionary notion... when you wonder about those who are bringing this whole arguement up again... what war are they trying to start? Is this their suggestion for getting out of our present economic downturn, get comes to my mind? But what I am trying to get at is that the Gaza situation... Israel vs. Muslim Countries... seems to me to go further than the the workings of thre Military Complex notion ... war as economic source of personal gain.... can account for. I think that there would be conflict in the Middle East even if both sides were relegated to going at each other with Sticks and Rocks (look at the Palestinians for proof of that).... One poster above (I forget who) said that the conflict between the Jews and the Muslims seemed to be "genetic".... I don't think that the notion holds "biologically" but I agree with the sentiment.... the animosity is very deeply ingrained.... socially or culturally, religiously and in all sorts of deeply felt ways. All of this , in a round-about way gets me to the point I want to get at. This whole thing is very "personalized" , as many human "people" problems tend to become. And the harm and "effects" of the situation, be it as military conflict or even at the level of the "domination" imposed on some by others.... okay and the "terror" that the other side claims to be subjected to, as well.... all of that is "personal". There are people dying and being oppressed, throughout it all. I suppose what I am trying to get at is that this matter should not be looked at as being "resolvable" at the general level but that it should be tried to be solved at the personal one..... one problem for one person at a time level. I know, it sounds a little .... Kumbaya.... but that isn't how I mean it. I mean, solve the Poverty in Gaza and elsewhere, first and foremost.... feed, cure, employ, give full legal and human rights to the "little people", and TO HELL with the leaders or the politicians, be they Palestinian or Israeli.... and as for the "Military- Industrial Complex"..... well, Eisenhower did have a point.... stop all U.S. military aid to the Israelis..... they can always buy their own guns..... everybody knows that they already have plenty... up to and including Nuclear Weapons. nominal9
On Jan 23, 11:19 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > At the very least I would expect humanity to recognize the > fruitlessness of violent interaction, the emptiness of the end > result. At the end of all wars exists all that which should have > transpired prior to the war itself, that being compromise. It should > be noted that the culmination of all wars has left us always with the > huge task of rebuilding from the rubble of destruction. > There should be enacted a global understanding that disagreement on > any level finds no resolve in weaponry, regardless of it's > sophistication. The bomb is much the same weapon as the sword, as > they both speak the same language, strike and kill. Global > disarmament is not likely but necessary. As long as humanity uses war > to accomplish peace, humanity will continue to suffer. The sad part is > that much of war is founded in economics, the mainstay of the > industrial war machine, the *military industrial complex. Imagine a > non war society in a monetary manner. How much more peace could war > financing buy? How much better people would be living with less fear > and worry over want and a strip of land. > Aside from casualty and suffering, war financing wastes trillions of > dollars. http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home How many > more homes and hospitals can we build? How much can we put into land > development in poor regions? > > *The phrase military-industrial complex was first used on January 17, > 1961, by President Dwight D. Eisenhower [1] in his farewell address to > the nation in what is called his Military Industrial Complex Speech: > "In the councils of government, we must guard against the > acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by > the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise > of misplaced power exists and will persist. "We must never let the > weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic > processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and > knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge > industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods > and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together." > > War wastes resources, destroys our environment, retrogrades the growth > of humanity and has never been a viable solution to disagreement. > I'm sure that if all Minds Eye members met in person, brought with > them the multitude of disagreements, there would still exist a > peaceful resolve at the conclusion of the meeting. No one would have > need to bring weaponry to prove their point. This is what should be > in the global community of diverse nations. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
