I doubt the animals "borrow" from you either Craig (typo) - you do create the illusion of being a "sparrow blaster" from time to time. I used to hunt - but one day I had a bead of a hare in full flight and gave it up. Loonies and gutter-scum crooks are much more dangerous with guns, so I'm generally against rights to bear arms, despite actually rather liking the things themsleves. The arguments I have seen are paper-thin and rarely extend beyond posturing. It's pretty clear, looking round the world, that where there are no guns it's likely a few thugs with them will move in. This rather suggests we need them to keep the peace, but it doesn't justify any general right. I'd like to see is more generally skilled in defence methods through National Service - this extends well beyond guns and engines of death - in order to ensure democratisation in our armed services. This seems a bit more sensible than relying on a bunch of hillbillies with assault rifle fetishes. I don't think it of any use to allow me and others to hold guns in case we have to kill gang members and so on - but do think we should clamp down on such bastards and kick them off our streets. I'm not necessarily averse to armed, official vigilantes to do this. Some believe this would be a slippery slope, but I believe the slope has already been slidden down. We should throw these louts into work and if they don't stay of their own accord, chain them to it.
On 31 Jan, 20:11, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote: > Neil, > I'm not a hunter. > > On Jan 30, 11:24 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I note that animals that borrow and hibernate are less likely to go > > extinct - no doubt because Craig can't get a bead on them 24/7! Our > > local Plod has clamped down on guns in Manchester, so now they are > > killing more frequently with knives. > > > On 31 Jan, 03:41, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Its one type of forum grenade that I'm always willing to throw. ;) > > > > On Jan 30, 7:44 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Agreed. The problem that pro-gun and anti-gun folks agree on is guns in > > > > the > > > > wrong hands. It's only the solution in which they differ. > > > > This is also a forum hand grenade, and I'm pleasantly surprised at the > > > > discourse. > > > > > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:37 PM, archytas <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > We have a beer called Punt Gunner - a distasteful brew. The trick is > > > > > getting guns out of the hand of unworthies. Our local plod has been > > > > > very successful over the past year, simply by doing something about > > > > > it. Even punt guns would fail to overthrow governments, but would > > > > > have some effect in keeping my car clean as we are overflown by > > > > > geese. This leaves me in favour of rearmament for the same valid > > > > > reasons Craig supports. > > > > > > On 30 Jan, 18:21, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > That sucker would shoot a pound of shot at a time?! Holy crap! > > > > > > That > > > > > > must have been a lot of fun. I can see how that would have a huge > > > > > > effect on the population of water fowl in no time though. > > > > > > > I think when you start talking about limitations on firearms in the > > > > > > United States you run into conundrums. The rationale behind the > > > > > > second amendment is that the populous be armed with military type > > > > > > weapons. Reasons being, if the populous is armed with military type > > > > > > weapons, then they can be at least semi-effective in repelling > > > > > > invasions, forming militias, and not to mention, overthrowing > > > > > > corrupt > > > > > > governments. So if you start talking about limiting the weapons and > > > > > > their abilities, you begin to rationalize away the reasons behind > > > > > > the > > > > > > constitutional right. > > > > > > > If anything, under the rationale of the second amendment, limits > > > > > > placed on handguns would make the most sense. Handguns are > > > > > > worthless > > > > > > in forming a militia, repelling invasions, or overthrowing corrupt > > > > > > governments. Pistols are not really military weapons, even though > > > > > > officers carry them. > > > > > > > So the so called "assault weapons" bans, I think, are per se > > > > > > unconstitutional. The weapons included in those bans include all > > > > > > the > > > > > > weapons that would be used in the military. I'm okay though with > > > > > > the > > > > > > restriction on fully automatic weapons. Not because I think fully > > > > > > automatic weapons are significantly more dangerous than > > > > > > semi-automatic > > > > > > weapons, but on the contrary I think semi-automatic weapons (like my > > > > > > AR-15) are nearly just as effective as their automatic relatives > > > > > > (the > > > > > > M-16), and so it doesn't really bother me that they ban the > > > > > > automatic > > > > > > versions. > > > > > > > nominal9 wrote: > > > > > > > I'm not much of a "Gun Guy" myself, but I have good friends who > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > hunters. Which is to say, that I have "moderated" my views even > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > than my own previous somewhat "liberal" , as in let 'em have the > > > > > > > guns > > > > > > > if they want 'em, stance. But still..... what do you more avid > > > > > > > supporters of gun rights think.... shouild there be any > > > > > > > limitations at > > > > > > > all, in your opinions?.... Fully automatic... how about > > > > > > > "calibers" or > > > > > > > bore size..... I remember reading about "Britsh Punt Guns" for > > > > > > > hunting..... I always wanted to have been around when one of those > > > > > > > little pea shooters went off.... > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punt_gun > > > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUiTBC0AfVE > > > > > > > nominal9 > > > > > > > > On Jan 30, 10:29 am, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I got an email today from one of the gun groups I subscribe to > > > > > > > > and it > > > > > > > > had embedded in it a video from Britain about gun rights. I was > > > > > > > > shocked and astonished to learn that there are people in > > > > > > > > Britain who > > > > > > > > are fighting for their gun rights. I guess Britain isn't a > > > > > completely > > > > > > > > lost cause. 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