First of all your characterization of "right wing" elements. Neo- nazis are not right wing. In fact, the Nazi party is about as far left as you can get. Nazi stands for the National Socialist German Workers party, and often for short they just call it National Socialism.
And yes, we did have some Neo-nazis here, but we did not welcome these left wing quacks with open arms, and in fact there is little left of what used to be. In fact I lived in Northern Idaho for 3 years, and never saw a single skin head, or KKK'er. In fact, what the news likes to make out as Neo-nazis and KKK'ers in Idaho, were a bunch of old men that drove around in an old oldsmobile around Sandpoint Idaho. Neo- nazis and KKKer's for all practical purposes don't exist here (and very few anywhere else). The media just likes to make a big hype about them because it makes headlines. And WACO, and the Fundamentalist Mormon Polygamists, those are tragedies. Those are groups of people who have been run over by our overextending United States Government. Mormon Polygamists never threatened anyone with guns, so I don't really know how its relevant. Thing is, I do live in Idaho, and I really know how it is. If you want to know, just ask me and I'll tell you. Same goes for Don. He really does live in Texas, and he can probably give you an accurate portrayal of texas, one devoid of the hype given to it by the media. On Feb 1, 9:46 am, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: > Huh....Fellas.... > For the sake, and in the interests, of full disclosure to our > "overseas" Mind's Eye members.... Craig and Don.... you have to admit > that Idaho and Texas are "among" if not "the" most Gun-rights States > in the (U.S.) Union...... and let's not forget that there are quite a > few.... shall we say... right-wing fringe elements in both states? Not > to mention the religious fringe ones? Now, I'm not making this > personal. But Texas... WACO.... The MormonPolygamists... all the > Death penalty cases.... Was Joe Horn the guy who shot those next-door > burglars even after the local police asked him not to... ect? And as > for Idaho.... no offense but isn't that the State residence of choice > for KKK'ers and Neo-Nazis? All I'm saying Craig and Don.... what about > the loonies, as Archytas calls them? > nominal9 > > On Feb 1, 10:00 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I like the laws we have here in Texas. I carry a concealed handgun > > license that is good in several other states as well. If someone > > breaks into your home, you have the right to defend yourself. If you > > are out and about and someone is being robbed or otherwise molested, > > you have the right to use your weapon to stop it. > > While training for the course you get fingerprinted and your gun > > registered so if you do decide to go nuts it's easier to catch you. I > > can't imagine what it would be like to have a law against having a gun > > in the house or having the police come by to take it away. This sort > > of thing actually happened in Louisiana after Katrina. Leaving > > otherwise law abiding citizens at the mercy of the rabble that > > terrorized New Orleans after that disaster. > > > Illegal weapons are easy to get. Outlawing guns only insures that > > only outlaws will have them. > > > Long live Joe Horn. > > > dj > > > On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > Neil, > > > There is a difference between vigilante justice and self defense. And > > > "assault rifle" is a misnomer concocted by the anti gun activists. I > > > really would like to know what makes an "assault rifle" an "assault > > > rifle". I know there was gun during world war two that the Germans > > > used that they would push around on wheels and it was belt fed, and it > > > did such crazy damage that they called it an assault rifle as a > > > nickname, but a semi-automatic rifle should be called a semi-automatic > > > rifle. Also, the notion that hillbillies are the only ones who > > > believe in the right to bear arms is another anti-gun activist > > > portrayal. In fact the NRA and Gun Owners of America both are filled > > > with respectable people who believe that its their right to own a gun, > > > and they have all their teeth, they don't wear a straw hat, and they > > > wear shoes wherever they go. Oh, and only a few of them have the name > > > of Billy Bob. > > > > I know your just joking around, but your entire post is filled with > > > the misleading stereotypes that are always attributed to gun owners. > > > I was watching television the other day and watching several different > > > television shows, and I could accurately predict every time guns and > > > red necks were going to be linked together before they even did it. > > > It was pretty amazing. > > > > As for your substantive arguments, I tend to find a little more common > > > ground. I don't buy the argument that more guns is always the answer > > > to our problems. On the flip side, just because their is a problem > > > doesn't entail my giving up my right to defend myself and my family. > > > Additionally, I could care less what you Brits do. I could care less > > > what you New Yorkers and Californians do. I can see where your living > > > in close quarters how it might be in your best interests to disarm > > > yourselves and be the last man that Nietzsche speaks of, but don't > > > come out here and try to universalize the principle on those of us who > > > aren't in the same predicament as you. I live in Idaho where the open > > > spaces go for miles and miles and miles. When I was in high school, > > > our guns hung in our gun racks in back of our pickup trucks. No one > > > said a word, nor gave it a second thought. Never in the history of my > > > town was anyone shot (except one idiot who decided to play Russian > > > roulette, but I won't go there). We were raised around guns, and we > > > are trained to use them. When we hear on the television or on the > > > news about shootings in California or New York or Illinois (where they > > > have the strictest gun laws by the way), we can't even fathom what is > > > going on there. > > > > Gun control may be the answer to your problems. ( I highly doubt it, > > > but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt ) But we don't have those > > > problems, and we don't want your solutions. > > > > On Jan 31, 3:16 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> I doubt the animals "borrow" from you either Craig (typo) - you do > > >> create the illusion of being a "sparrow blaster" from time to time. I > > >> used to hunt - but one day I had a bead of a hare in full flight and > > >> gave it up. Loonies and gutter-scum crooks are much more dangerous > > >> with guns, so I'm generally against rights to bear arms, despite > > >> actually rather liking the things themsleves. The arguments I have > > >> seen are paper-thin and rarely extend beyond posturing. It's pretty > > >> clear, looking round the world, that where there are no guns it's > > >> likely a few thugs with them will move in. This rather suggests we > > >> need them to keep the peace, but it doesn't justify any general > > >> right. I'd like to see is more generally skilled in defence methods > > >> through National Service - this extends well beyond guns and engines > > >> of death - in order to ensure democratisation in our armed services. > > >> This seems a bit more sensible than relying on a bunch of hillbillies > > >> with assault rifle fetishes. I don't think it of any use to allow me > > >> and others to hold guns in case we have to kill gang members and so on > > >> - but do think we should clamp down on such bastards and kick them off > > >> our streets. I'm not necessarily averse to armed, official vigilantes > > >> to do this. Some believe this would be a slippery slope, but I > > >> believe the slope has already been slidden down. We should throw > > >> these louts into work and if they don't stay of their own accord, > > >> chain them to it. > > > >> On 31 Jan, 20:11, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > Neil, > > >> > I'm not a hunter. > > > >> > On Jan 30, 11:24 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > I note that animals that borrow and hibernate are less likely to go > > >> > > extinct - no doubt because Craig can't get a bead on them 24/7! Our > > >> > > local Plod has clamped down on guns in Manchester, so now they are > > >> > > killing more frequently with knives. > > > >> > > On 31 Jan, 03:41, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > Its one type of forum grenade that I'm always willing to throw. ;) > > > >> > > > On Jan 30, 7:44 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > > >> > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > Agreed. The problem that pro-gun and anti-gun folks agree on is > > >> > > > > guns in the > > >> > > > > wrong hands. It's only the solution in which they differ. > > >> > > > > This is also a forum hand grenade, and I'm pleasantly surprised > > >> > > > > at the > > >> > > > > discourse. > > > >> > > > > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:37 PM, archytas > > >> > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > We have a beer called Punt Gunner - a distasteful brew. The > > >> > > > > > trick is > > >> > > > > > getting guns out of the hand of unworthies. Our local plod > > >> > > > > > has been > > >> > > > > > very successful over the past year, simply by doing something > > >> > > > > > about > > >> > > > > > it. Even punt guns would fail to overthrow governments, but > > >> > > > > > would > > >> > > > > > have some effect in keeping my car clean as we are overflown by > > >> > > > > > geese. This leaves me in favour of rearmament for the same > > >> > > > > > valid > > >> > > > > > reasons Craig supports. > > > >> > > > > > On 30 Jan, 18:21, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > That sucker would shoot a pound of shot at a time?! Holy > > >> > > > > > > crap! That > > >> > > > > > > must have been a lot of fun. I can see how that would have > > >> > > > > > > a huge > > >> > > > > > > effect on the population of water fowl in no time though. > > > >> > > > > > > I think when you start talking about limitations on firearms > > >> > > > > > > in the > > >> > > > > > > United States you run into conundrums. The rationale behind > > >> > > > > > > the > > >> > > > > > > second amendment is that the populous be armed with military > > >> > > > > > > type > > >> > > > > > > weapons. Reasons being, if the populous is armed with > > >> > > > > > > military type > > >> > > > > > > weapons, then they can be at least semi-effective in > > >> > > > > > > repelling > > >> > > > > > > invasions, forming militias, and not to mention, > > >> > > > > > > overthrowing corrupt > > >> > > > > > > governments. So if you start talking about limiting the > > >> > > > > > > weapons and > > >> > > > > > > their abilities, you begin to rationalize away the reasons > > >> > > > > > > behind the > > >> > > > > > > constitutional right. > > > >> > > > > > > If anything, under the rationale of the second amendment, > > >> > > > > > > limits > > >> > > > > > > placed on handguns would make the most sense. Handguns are > > >> > > > > > > worthless > > >> > > > > > > in forming a militia, repelling invasions, or overthrowing > > >> > > > > > > corrupt > > >> > > > > > > governments. Pistols are not really military weapons, even > > >> > > > > > > though > > >> > > > > > > officers carry them. > > > >> > > > > > > So the so called "assault weapons" bans, I think, are per se > > >> > > > > > > unconstitutional. The weapons included in those bans > > >> > > > > > > include all the > > >> > > > > > > weapons that would be used in the military. I'm okay though > > >> > > > > > > with the > > >> > > > > > > restriction on fully automatic weapons. Not because I think > > >> > > > > > > fully > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
