Which is what the fear part of the proceding post got spot on. I have a large lump of wood quite handily placed near my bed for matters of protection agianst house intruders, and belting somebody unconciouse with it would better ease my feeling than shooting the same dead.
What I think most cases of house intrudment are about are burglary, plain and simple theft of your stuff from your house. While it is true that compliance with such intruders may not result in you and yours getting away unharmed, I think it is at least as safe to assume so, as it is to assume that anybody that breaks into your house does so to murder you. I am not a proponant of the 'eye for an eye' mentality, I do not belive that we have the right to take a life even in self defense, unless if just can't be avioded. If we relax gun laws in this country, I wonder how that would change existing law with regard to 'reasonable force'? On 4 Feb, 14:19, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > Based on those assumptions you have point, however, knowing that an > intruder is there to kill, torture etc, you, your family etc, changes > the whole thing. What mental anguish would you go through knowing > that you didn't do anything to secure the lives of your family should > the intruder actually be another BTK > killer?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Rader > > On Feb 4, 6:14 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > And this nicely sums up my stance. > > > There are those that will tell you they fell safe carrying a gun, safe > > from intruders to their homes, and safe from muggers on the the street > > and safe from the tiny percentage of other gus owneres that may go > > mental. > > > These same people will often tell you that they would kill an intruder > > to their house. Now this is the one tha t always gets me. > > > Partly I dislike the thought of gun ownership, because I know that I > > just could not point one at another human and pull the trigger, to > > imagine the mental anguish that I would go through being responsible > > for the death of another human, nope, just not for me. Added to this > > the reasons quoted for doing so. > > > To stop an intruder in your house, you have no idea what they are > > there for, whether they are armed or not, but because they have broken > > into your house you are allowed to kill them. > > > That seems like madness to me, and it worries me greatly that people > > cannot see it. > > > The very idea of guns to protect from guns, is a ludicrus circle that > > will not be broken with that argument. > > > On 2 Feb, 16:36, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Ian, > > > Its hard to tell who is more scared, it all depends on who is making > > > the argument. A couple years ago we had a controversy on our campus > > > at the University of Idaho about the right to carry on campus. In > > > Idaho you can carry anywhere you want, other than a courthouse. > > > However, the Universities have "policies" that say no carrying on > > > campus. Universities are state run institutions, and Idaho has > > > preemption laws that say the state legislature is the only one allowed > > > to legislate gun laws. Anyway, we had a public forum at the > > > University where we all got together to discuss the issue. I found it > > > interesting that both sides appealed to fear in their arguments. The > > > students against conceal carry on campus said that they wouldn't feel > > > safe knowing that people were packing guns, the students for conceal > > > carry were saying, they didn't feel safe being disarmed on a campus > > > where the closest law enforcement is at least ten minutes away, a lot > > > of people could get messed up before any law enforcement showed up. > > > One girl who was against concealed carry was from the UK, and she > > > swore that if we were allowed to carry on campus that she would have > > > to drop out of school. It turned into a pissing match over who was > > > more scared. Your experience is probably derived from the fact that > > > many people own guns because they are scared. They would be scared > > > with or without guns, but it is the fear that drives them to > > > purchase. So it isn't the gun that causes the fear, the gun is just a > > > result. > > > > On Feb 2, 9:16 am, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > 2009/2/2 Slip Disc <[email protected]> > > > > > > I was staggered to see how many people actually gave away the only > > > > > real protection they have. > > > > > You demonstrate perfectly the great irony at play here. People who own > > > > guns, > > > > in my experience, overwhelmingly feel less safe that those who do not > > > > own > > > > guns. > > > > > Single gun theory, my friend. > > > > > Ian- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
