I didn't choose to go to the Mosque of the Ablutions whilst in
Istanbul, but would recommend the restaurant in the same park that
overlooks the Bosporus as having a more secluded toilet, though the
water from the {arsehose} - now what are they called - was colder than
to my taste. The omelette was superb.
On 11 Mar, 20:47, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
> Question from ignorance....I have heard that those of islamic faith
> etc. find the use of paper to be crass at the very least. Anyone know?
>
> On Mar 11, 10:55 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Small and beautiful and you raise the issue of toilets. Of course,
> > one tends to favour the old Crapper to the Adamant, and we'll have
> > none of the foreign muck in Blightly (I once mistakenly thought this
> > nickname for Old Albion arose because everyone here has piles). We
> > will weigh every German when they come in and send them on their way
> > (as we are apt so to do) after calculating how much general effluent
> > they should take back with them to compensate for what of their
> > culture they leave here. I am currently in love with a German-
> > speaking woman - fortunately she is a Belgian and thus rather refined
> > in these matters and owns a septic tank. To discover that bidets were
> > neither low to the ground water fountains for intelligent cats, nor
> > the footbaths my father told me they were, is disconcerting. The
> > French, of course, rarely try to come to Britain since Bonaparte
> > ceased his urgings after his confrontation with arsenic 'wallpaper' -
> > one understands this is because they have morbid fear of running water
> > and toothbrushes. We have evaded such soft passions as wet toilet
> > paper in the UK so far, but no doubt our womenfolk are massed in some
> > monstrous regiment waiting to try it our was the advertising men tell
> > them it is an essential prerequisite of the good life. Is the filthy
> > stuff here already Francis, and being used to wipe make-up off faces
> > and slime off babies. I would feel much less embarrassed about the
> > times I placed my head into a bidet whilst fighting the Frog or at
> > least in France travelling to Portugal to fight him if our good ladies
> > are using re-branded toilet paper for facial purposes?
>
> > Col. Blithely-Unaware (RN rtd.)
>
> > On 11 Mar, 17:24, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Zer goot!...I'm too modist to say how I deal with such things....
>
> > > On Mar 11, 8:54 am, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > It's only the decadent French who use bidets, Orn, in Germany
> > > > sensitive people uses two kind of toilet-paper, first dry, then moist!
> > > > The old-fashioned toilets with a flat shelf above the water where the
> > > > stools land so that they can be first examined before flushing them
> > > > down are dying out - I seem to remember an hilarious meditation on
> > > > them in Erica Jong's "Fear of Flying".
>
> > > > Francis
>
> > > > On 11 Mrz., 15:41, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > gee gabby, didn't know those of you in Deutchland used paper...thought
> > > > > you were more civilized! ...bidets and all....
>
> > > > > On Mar 11, 7:37 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Simplifying matters to the virtual extinction of the very matter
> > > > > > combines all the qualities of a universal top seller, true, Orn, but
> > > > > > don't come begging for toilet paper afterwards.
>
> > > > > > On 11 Mrz., 12:12, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > This is one thing I liked about Clinton...during his first year I
> > > > > > > think it was, he established a major paper reduction act....
>
> > > > > > > On Mar 10, 11:57 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Brilliant 'old girl' (as grim a patronising term from Bulldog
> > > > > > > > Drummond
> > > > > > > > as can be mustard given this investigatory turn). There has
> > > > > > > > not been
> > > > > > > > a better from since I tried to get Great Manchester Police to
> > > > > > > > cut down
> > > > > > > > on unnecessary forms and they issued a form to cut down on forms
> > > > > > > > (though I subsequently discovered there was no form to
> > > > > > > > requisition
> > > > > > > > that form). No doubt what we all desperately need is a European
> > > > > > > > Administrative Bureau in order to cut down on administration.
> > > > > > > > Its
> > > > > > > > buildings should be small, beautiful (architect-designed),
> > > > > > > > stacked
> > > > > > > > with looted art (oops - I mean 'specially commissioned') and
> > > > > > > > generally
> > > > > > > > a cure for the massive unemployment that traditionally leads us
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > war. Perhaps the main occupation of its anti-bureaucrat
> > > > > > > > bureaucrats
> > > > > > > > could be 'cutting the mustard'?
>
> > > > > > > > On 10 Mar, 16:25, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Have you ever tried to get an adequate response by using the
> > > > > > > > > following
> > > > > > > > > form?
>
> > > > > > > > >http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/admin-burdens-reduction/form_en.htm
>
> > > > > > > > > On 10 Mrz., 13:33, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > The modern Nazis who were installed in our bureaucracies
> > > > > > > > > > long ago to
> > > > > > > > > > rise again. It is far too hard to stand up against
> > > > > > > > > > injustice in our
> > > > > > > > > > supposedly free societies. 'The Boys From Brazil' got it
> > > > > > > > > > all wrong -
> > > > > > > > > > it's more like Robert Harris' 'Ghost' in which a poorly
> > > > > > > > > > concealed
> > > > > > > > > > Cherie Blair is CIA.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On 10 Mar, 11:10, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Who is they?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On 10 Mrz., 11:43, archytas <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > And who will they turn on when all the rose gardens are
> > > > > > > > > > > > dead?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 9 Mar, 11:57, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't worry, we won't take away your gravy and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > custard again. And for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > his sausages I have taught my son to prefer mustard
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to ketchup.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9 Mrz., 00:48, archytas <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And the Germans have invaded Humour, or so it seems!
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8 Mar, 19:00, frantheman
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rosenspray & Guildenstern are dead!
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8 Mrz., 19:52, archytas
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL - we shall have to start Rosenspraying our
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > politicians instead of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > custarding them.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8 Mar, 15:38, gabbydott
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Too late, it's already been
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > produced:http://www.pflanzotheke.de/shop/exec/product/804/12773/Combi-Rosenspr...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8 Mrz., 11:38, archytas
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Produce the vaccine Gabby - I tend to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prefer truly scientific
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solutions.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7 Mar, 18:52, gabbydott
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wouldn’t want to live in your perfect
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rose garden, although it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smells nice in there. To me, vaccination
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seems the more liberating
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > form of protection against the dark of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the night.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7 Mrz., 16:40, archytas
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Small is beautiful was the title of a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > book by EF (Fritz) Schumacher.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It impressed me when I was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impressionable and I was involved with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cooperative-commonwealth movement for a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while - mostly trying to keep
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a few jobs afloat. I then read his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Guide for the Perplexed' - you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could almost imagine an Errol Flynn
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > style sword fight amongst us to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get to it! It was rubbish.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is much in the notion of doing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things small though, especially
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now we could globalize on a fair basis.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Free markets and such have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always been unreal in many senses -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > almost in the way that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > epistemology tends to boil down to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conditions of existence.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Something, frankly, has to protect them
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from banditry. Ideology
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always seems to lapse to idiocy at the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point we could be doing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something - a bit like that point in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > science when there is a critical
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experiment that will bring research
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > programmes together. We could be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trying all sorts of stuff in a spirit
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of protected competition. The
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking doesn't have to be small and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can range from anything from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using satellite photographs to chose
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > plant types, fertiliser amounts -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on to the creation of small,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > metaphorically gated communities to help
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give us roots and handle policing and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so on. Much of my eventual
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reasoning on this involves insurance
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements amongst communities
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > globally and cutting out the viler
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forms of bureaucratic waste (like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overpaid bwankers and lawyers) - our
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aims would probably centre on
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