"... One of the problems is conditions allowing the emotional rule over the rational." - bruce r.
Yes and another of the problems is the assumption that one's 'rational' aspect can rule over the emotional. On Mar 13, 7:27 am, bruce ralph <[email protected]> wrote: > Animals do have a basic "fight or flight" response. When it goes into > overdrive, it does result in sociopathic behaviour. We have to > reexamine the the societal conditions that result in people "going > off" like this. One of the problems is conditions allowing the > emotional rule over the rational. > > On Mar 13, 7:20 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Sigmund might say it's all to do with his relationship(or lack > > thereof) with his Mom. Kids at that age are dealing with raging > > hormones and other chemical changes that some find impossible to > > handle. It is unfortunate in the extreme that his therapy didn't pan > > out. Chances are if he could have toughed it out for a few more > > months his body and mind would have recovered. I can't imagine how > > guilty his parents must feel. It's a horrible thing. And so, so sad. > > Tragic applies. > > > dj > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:34 AM, frantheman <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > Just to get the facts straight, Vam, it has since emerged that the > > > report that Tim K. had stated his intention to "whip up a storm" in a > > > chat room (Krautchan, a German clone of 4Chan) was incorrect. The > > > police had received reports of the entry in the chat room forum, which > > > later turned out to be false. But Rech, the interior minister, in a > > > move sadly typical for a politician, had already taken the photo- > > > oppportunity to go public with the news. > > > > Far from being on Ritalin (a popular, if often questionable treatment > > > for kids who are hyper and diagnosed as suffering from Attention- > > > Deficit-Syndrome), as Don suggests, Tim K. is universally described as > > > being quiet and somewhat withdrawn. Not, by any means, an over- > > > achiever, but also not a kid who fully fits into the omega-type, > > > weird, nerd-loser category in teenage group classification. He had > > > recently begun therapeutic treatment for depression but had > > > discontinued it. > > > > Part of the psychosis which drove K. to his killing spree may have had > > > something to do with gender issues, Slip. The vast majority of his > > > victims in the school were female, according to the reports, and most > > > were killed with aimed, intentional head shots (this kid was a trained > > > shooter). This, however, would seem to argue, in my view, for > > > traditional gender differentiation - speculatively, a generalised > > > aggression against females because particular girls had rejected his > > > advances. If he had been the subject of peer-group bullying/mobbing, > > > one would have expected more alpha-jock types amongst the victims. > > > While it might be interesting to discuss gender-related issues here, > > > Slip, my experience is that no group is more conservative and > > > traditional with regard to gender-differentiation than teenagers. > > > > Francis > > > > On 13 Mrz., 04:54, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> There is something material to this discussion : The ' boy ' had > > >> indicated his mind, in his own words, day before committing the > > >> mayhem. Let's hear. > > > >> "I have weapons here and tomorrow morning I will go to my old school > > >> and really whip up a storm," Tim Kretschmer, 17, said in a chat room, > > >> according to the interior minister of the state where Wednesday's > > >> massacre took place. > > > >> "I have had enough of this crummy life... Always the same. People are > > >> laughing at me, no-one recognises my potential... You will hear about > > >> me tomorrow. Make note of the name of the place: Winnenden," the > > >> posting said. > > > >> "He should have just killed himself," pensioner Hildegard Kronbach > > >> said as she stood on the church steps. > > > >> His father is a successful businessman who employs 150 people at a > > >> packaging firm, according to police, but his son found it difficult to > > >> fit in at school and had few friends. > > > >> "He was simply not accepted by anyone and just sat all day in front of > > >> his computer," Mario, a schoolmate, told German television station > > >> N24. > > > >> Reports also said he was keen on computer shooting games -- especially > > >> the violent "Counter-Strike" -- and had become a real-life crack shot > > >> at the shooting range where his father was a member. > > > >> After leaving school last year, Kretschmer had enrolled on a course to > > >> train as a salesman. He regularly worked out at the gym, belonged to a > > >> sports club and was a keen table tennis player. > > > >> His father owned more than a dozen guns, all locked away except the > > >> nine millimetre Beretta pistol that caused the carnage. Police also > > >> found 4,600 rounds of ammunition at the house. > > > >> Rech said Kretschmer had apparently cracked an eight-digit code to a > > >> locked cabinet containing guns and ammunition. > > > >> The killer had "destroyed the soul of an entire school and ripped into > > >> the heart of a town," Rech added. > > > >> The tragedy brought back haunting memories of a similar bloodbath in > > >> Erfurt in eastern Germany in 2002 that left 17 dead, including the > > >> gunman, and rekindled a gun-control debate. > > > >> Gun laws were tightened after Erfurt and there have already been calls > > >> for even stricter laws and also a ban on violent computer games. > > > >> The above were excerpts from The Guardian. The fact that the boy was > > >> filled with the sense of " unrecognised potential," despite having all > > >> ( compared to a teen in an average household in India ) materially, is > > >> what is most germane to the case. > > > >> On Mar 13, 3:42 am, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > The past few days have seen two frightening series of rampage > > >> > killings, in Alabama and in Southern > > >> > Germany:http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,612863,00.html > > >> > Living in Germany, and having a 17-year-old daughter going to school > > >> > here, I've been hearing and reading quite a bit about our local horror > > >> > in the past few days. It seems to have been a typical case of a boy/ > > >> > young man with major mental/self-image problems irrevocably losing it. > > > >> > The talking heads are waffling about the availability of weapons (Tim > > >> > K. used a Beretta his father kept in his bedroom), graphic computer > > >> > games (Counterstrike) and all the other usual stuff. Despite my oft- > > >> > posted abhorrence for privately-held guns, I don't really think that > > >> > further gun control is the answer (not to this particular problem - > > >> > rampage killings take place in societies with tight and with lax gun- > > >> > control - the killers seem to be able to get the guns anyway). I also > > >> > don't believe that 99.99% of kids are significantly brutalised by > > >> > graphic games - otherwise no street in the world would be safe to > > >> > walk, given the fact that almost all 18-year old males in the > > >> > developed world have,or have had significant exposure to such games. > > > >> > I don't know if there is any real answer to such events. Growing up > > >> > has always has its problems and it certainly isn't easy for kids > > >> > today, in our high-octane, high-pressure, consuming/consumptive > > >> > performance- and success-driven society. One interesting comment I've > > >> > heard claimed that girls tend to internalise aggression (with results > > >> > such as the repeated cutting of arms) while guys are more likely to > > >> > channel that argression outwards. That said, it was the amok killings > > >> > of Brenda Ann Spencer in 1979, which inspired Bob Geldof to write, "I > > >> > Don't Like Mondays", which maybe gives the best explanation for why > > >> > such things happening - the best because it just expresses rather than > > >> > explains the unexplainable: > > >> > "The silicon chip inside her head > > >> > gets switched to overload ... " > > > >> > Francis- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
