Come on, Francis, you are an intelligent man. What are you saying about not knowing how many witnesses of the disappearance of Jews, Communists, and mentally ill people were evil? In respect to their dumbness they were all evil, of course. Their loved ones often would have focused on other qualities in them, obviously.
So let’s talk about how that mechanism is applied today, rather than losing ourselves in yet another pointless ego debate. The main characteristic of that mechanism is the activated denial mode. Everything that doesn’t fit in your love frame of mind of yourself will not be commented upon or thought about but will be dreamt positively at night. When speaking of “revelling in the wonderful depth of Is-ness” you seem to have been working with the same technique. What about those others then who still want to remember the pre-pink days, the days before the eye turned blue? On 16 Mrz., 18:36, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > Well, Gabby, I experience this post as more honest, or maybe I can > partly understand the questions better. > > I have been in situations where others may well have regarded me as > being evil. In the years I spent managing old-peoples' homes I > remember a number of interviews with employees which started with, > "Nobody wants to hurt you ..." and finished with the said person being > fired, or, more usually, being put in positions where they had very > little option other than to quit. At the time I could rationalise the > situation by arguing that it was my job, or that I had a wider > responsibility to the residents, the co-workers, or the church > organisation which owned the home. It was even true. But such > experiences were also part of my decision to stop doing that sort of > work. > > I asked the question about evil because I don't know the answer. In my > life I have experienced stupidity, weakness, illness, thoughtlessness, > mistakes, hurt and hurting. In myself and in others. I visited > Auschwitz many years ago - I experienced it as a very silent place and > found myself crying when I stood in front of a huge glass box full of > childrens' shoes. I do not doubt that what I saw there - and what > occurred there - was evil. But were the thousands involved (and the > many other at least hundreds of thousands who knew or suspected what > was going on) all evil? I do not know. > > The world-view of purgatory and hell, a vengeful judging God, mortal > sins and damned souls I experienced as a young Catholic child was > certainly warped, damaged and disturbing. But I also experienced an > open, courageous, engaged, forgiving, post-Vatican II vision of > Catholicism, which I found many inspiring for many years, and many > wonderful people energized by this vision and working to spread it. > Many of them are still there. My conclusions 1) that I nonetheIess > couldn't assent to the fundamental premises of the Church and 2) that > under the Wojtila papacy the Catholic Church was consistently moving > to reject the open vision which had inspired me developed > contemporaneously and led me to sever my formal connections with the > Catholic Church over twenty years ago. > > Intelligent design, dumb design, malevolent design - I don't find much > sense in any of them. I'm happy enough experiencing and revelling in > the wonderful depth of Is-ness. One thing I do suspect, it's an easy > and cheap answer to those whom we don't agree with to label them as > being evil. > > Francis > > On 16 Mrz., 16:51, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > What subject, Francis? Where did you describe how you come across as > > evil to others and why? Reading how a grown man who said he left his > > Irish-Catholic home some time ago seriously ponders over the existence > > of evil makes me sick and tired. Escapism into the world of dumb > > design is the perfectly logic consequence. > > > On 16 Mrz., 12:41, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Being honest in reply, Gabby, I would be more interested in possible > > > thoughts from you concerning the subject than in snide comments. > > > As to how my ex-partner feels, you'd have to ask her. I have no > > > contact with her. The few comments I've heard from mutual friends > > > suggest that she is not in very good shape. > > > > On 16 Mrz., 11:11, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > May I be honest, Francis? It doesn’t surprise me that you think of > > > > Molly in your hour of need for an answer. Does your ex-partner feel > > > > better by now? I hope she does. > > > > > On 15 Mrz., 14:51, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Reading the discussion here on Tim K.'s amok slaughter in Southern > > > > > Germany this week, the question occurred to me; does evil exist? To be > > > > > sure, we encounter examples of evil all the time, but we generally > > > > > tend to seek explanations for "evil" actions, or "evil" courses of > > > > > events. But what of deeds or people who are classed as being simply > > > > > evil as such? What is evil? Is it - as is often claimed - simply an > > > > > absence of good, or is there more? And what of people like Josef > > > > > Fritzl, who goes on trial in Austra > > > > > tomorrow?http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/31/joseffritzl-austria > > > > > As Molly is wont do ask, what do YOU think? > > > > > > Francis --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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